VIDEO! Motortrend Drag Race between GT500 and Camaro SS!

[Black GT]

Originally Posted by logan1080

Haha wow, I don't think it would even take a supercharger for the camaro to beat the GT500. Full exhaust, CAI, Tune, and some good tires might even do it. A guy hit 12.5 with just a CAI and a tune in an SS. there is a vid of it in the 1/4 mile vid section. Put a supercharger on the camaro and the shelby's will see nothing but SS taillights.

But didn't Hennessey put a supercharger,exhaust and drag radials on one and could only get 11.6's out of it.

GT500 is there with just drag radials.

[81z28355]

Dont worry about running into a 2010 Gt 500 Ford just told the dealers only 2000 cars will be built for 2010. Let the huge dealers mark ups begin. Hope they make them next year. But with 2008 and 2009 Gt 500's still not selling on dealer lots who knows.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

I'm not sure about the negativity here about the 12.5 run. The guy said his cousin was kidding around. Now that by itself could be fishy, but the vendor who worked on his car posts here and can verify it as true.

I agree that just because someone ran a great time doesn't mean you can, but that's true of any car. It's the same thing as posting the 12.9 modded 2010 GT time.

True..but others have run 13.0 and 13.1....its funny he is the ONLY one to 12.5 with those mods....its just fishy..also the other poster was right..With a S/C headers, and a host of other mods, a tuner ran 11.6....Alos have not heard much else since..It just seems a bit off, and his cousin did not validate that to well by saying what he said. To me, times ran with mods, and the spray times I have seen, it would seemed he sprayed, and ran a good time. At any rate, he says he did not, so I must take his word on it.

Regardless of that, It still stands to say that anyone thinking they will dust of a GT500 with a stock camaro is in for a rude surprise.....that is if the driver(gt500) can actually drive a bit....

[pharmd]

Originally Posted by Black GT

But didn't Hennessey put a supercharger,exhaust and drag radials on one and could only get 11.6's out of it.

GT500 is there with just drag radials.

MPH on that run was 121mph...its 11.6 is traction limited...traction limited, isn't that what you Ford guys are crying about on that GT500 only beating a stock SS by 0.1...BTW the 510rwhp GT500 does not trap 120+ stock.

Also your running 11.6's crushing vettes, GT500's and Z06's...with a trap of 116, your doing it on the 60'. Not that their is anything wrong with that, getting the power to the ground is part of the game, just don't be expecting to do it roll racing (not saying roll racing is right, just pointing out that it happens)...cam only vettes are trapping 125+, as well as Z06's, so I wouldn't go picking on those guys expecting a kill.

And on the hp/$ post saying $20K for a built shortblock, et etc even if you do most of the work yourself....that is an extreme example and can be done much less than this...where I live at least.


LPE forged 418ci short block $4800, sell your stock short block $1500-2000 so let say net of $3K cost, TVS 2300 $7000 (your now at $10K), headers, cutouts ($1500), clutch ($1200), DR ($500), CAI ($350), Tune ($300), cam + springs ($700)=$14,550 (when you get a bunch of your best buddy's together to hang out and slap on parts) + new Camaro ss (33K)=$47,550...HP potential of this type motor is easily 700rwhp-900rwhp depending upon how hard you want to lean on it....at this power level for either the GT500 or the Camaro, drivetrain components are going to be a liability, as well as no warranty (assuming the GT500 owner is modding his car to the same powerlevel with say a KB etc...if he is an honest owner, he would consent no powertrain warranty is fair).

I didn't include the stock parts you are taking off your car that you could sell to get back some of the funds (intake, clutch, cam, stock intake, etc).

JMO.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by pharmd

MPH on that run was 121mph...its 11.6 is traction limited...traction limited, isn't that what you Ford guys are crying about on that GT500 only beating a stock SS by 0.1...BTW the 510rwhp GT500 does not trap 120+ stock.

Also your running 11.6's crushing vettes, GT500's and Z06's...with a trap of 116, your doing it on the 60'. Not that their is anything wrong with that, getting the power to the ground is part of the game,


JMO.

Agree, 11.6@121 is pretty good and crushes most cars. Here is a GT500 running 11.6@121 with 4 mods (Intake, Tune, Pulley, DR). Nice

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...500_199791.htm

[pharmd]

^Yeah, those cars are like the Supra's of the 90's, extremely simple and cheap to make fast-er...just don't know how much longer cars like this will be around...every manufacturer should follow this concept on at least one of their "sports" cars (forged internals stock).

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

True..but others have run 13.0 and 13.1....its funny he is the ONLY one to 12.5 with those mods....its just fishy..also the other poster was right..With a S/C headers, and a host of other mods, a tuner ran 11.6....Alos have not heard much else since..It just seems a bit off, and his cousin did not validate that to well by saying what he said. To me, times ran with mods, and the spray times I have seen, it would seemed he sprayed, and ran a good time. At any rate, he says he did not, so I must take his word on it.

Regardless of that, It still stands to say that anyone thinking they will dust of a GT500 with a stock camaro is in for a rude surprise.....that is if the driver(gt500) can actually drive a bit....

Just because only one person ran it doesn't make it fishy. It's fairly simple to ask the vendor who worked on his car. The vendor went back and made additional modifications after the fact so there's really little he could hide. LMR worked on his car and they post here quite a bit and I doubt they'd risk their reputation over it.

Yep, I agree. Anyone who thinks they're going to beat a GT500 (with a good driver) with a stock SS is going to be quite surprised.

[Justcallme61]

Originally Posted by Unfair

Wait so it's unfair to compare a car with 114 more hp, but it's not unfair to compare a car with 111 more hp?

No, that's not the argument. That may be true, but most people compare by price, and for about the same price as that Mustang with the 111 less hp, you get 426 hp (would you have us compare the v6 Camaro to the Mustang GT?). What everyone is saying is that it's unfair to compare these two cars with 540 hp and 426, not because the GT500 has more hp, but because its nearly $50k, whereas the Camaro is around $33k.

[Justcallme61]

Originally Posted by Black GT

But didn't Hennessey put a supercharger,exhaust and drag radials on one and could only get 11.6's out of it.

GT500 is there with just drag radials.

Nearly the same times, with nearly the same setup? You don't say...lol

"only" when it's the Camaro, but it's somehow amazing when it's the GT500, even though it's already supercharged?

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by logan1080

Haha wow, I don't think it would even take a supercharger for the camaro to beat the GT500. Full exhaust, CAI, Tune, and some good tires might even do it. A guy hit 12.5 with just a CAI and a tune in an SS. there is a vid of it in the 1/4 mile vid section. Put a supercharger on the camaro and the shelby's will see nothing but SS taillights.

But at that point you are talking modded cars... so it's a whole different ball game when a shelby puts a pulley on.

[ironpeddler]

There is more that you get in the price differnce between the GT500 and the camaro ss than what you might think. With the gt500 you can make over 800hp on the stock motor without changing anything out. Everything is forged, cast block, aluminum driveshafts just to name a few.

Sure you could mod a camaro to be faster but good luck replacing stock factory parts that were not made to handle that kind of power. Look at all the people busting drive-shafts, trannies already. Before you know it you will have much more money in the camaro than in the gt500 just modifying parts to handle alot more hp. Plus for an extra $2k if that, you can have a gt500 making over 600rwhp. Hell, stock the 2010's make 510 rwhp. Put $2k in the 2010 and you will be pushing over 650 rwhp. NO, a modded Camaro (ligenfelter, slp, LS7, w/e) will not outrun a slightly modded gt500 making 650 rwhp or around there. Maybe modded with some NOS and a s/c you could outrun a gt500 but your engine might not even last one pass.

Yes, I have a 2010 gt500 on order and I have no preference between Dodge, Ford, & Chevy. I actually had a Camaro on order before this. But i did my research and i thought the gt500 was a better choice for me. Not everyone can afford it but if you can it's a good deal IMHO. People on here bashing the gt500 saying it's to much should really do their research before posting. There is alot that the gt500 offers that you have no idea about.

[Black GT]

Originally Posted by Justcallme61

Nearly the same times, with nearly the same setup? You don't say...lol

"only" when it's the Camaro, but it's somehow amazing when it's the GT500, even though it's already supercharged?

And the Hennessey Camaro comes in with a price tag starting at $59,500

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

There is more that you get in the price differnce between the GT500 and the camaro ss than what you might think. With the gt500 you can make over 800hp on the stock motor without changing anything out. Everything is forged, cast block, aluminum driveshafts just to name a few.

Sure you could mod a camaro to be faster but good luck replacing stock factory parts that were not made to handle that kind of power. Look at all the people busting drive-shafts, trannies already. Before you know it you will have much more money in the camaro than in the gt500 just modifying parts to handle alot more hp. Plus for an extra $2k if that, you can have a gt500 making over 600rwhp. Hell, stock the 2010's make 510 rwhp. Put $2k in the 2010 and you will be pushing over 650 rwhp. NO, a modded Camaro (ligenfelter, slp, LS7, w/e) will not outrun a slightly modded gt500 making 650 rwhp or around there. Maybe modded with some NOS and a s/c you could outrun a gt500 but your engine might not even last one pass.

Yes, I have a 2010 gt500 on order and I have no preference between Dodge, Ford, & Chevy. I actually had a Camaro on order before this. But i did my research and i thought the gt500 was a better choice for me. Not everyone can afford it but if you can it's a good deal IMHO. People on here bashing the gt500 saying it's to much should really do their research before posting. There is alot that the gt500 offers that you have no idea about.

Well said Iron. People skip over the whole "forged" thing like it means nothing. As well the tranny any other parts that go with it like they do not exist. When you get a GT500 you are getting more than just HP. Also people say I can mod a Camaro...well if you get a camaro for 34k, then mod it for 10k, that's 44k there.....no warranty, and you just made yourself even with a GT500 in power. But guess what...youstill need to address those other issues...so lets say another hmm...2k for suspension, tranny upgrades. 46k. Now in the end, was it really cheaper ?

[benjj]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

There is more that you get in the price differnce between the GT500 and the camaro ss than what you might think. With the gt500 you can make over 800hp on the stock motor without changing anything out. Everything is forged, cast block, aluminum driveshafts just to name a few.

Sure you could mod a camaro to be faster but good luck replacing stock factory parts that were not made to handle that kind of power. Look at all the people busting drive-shafts, trannies already. Before you know it you will have much more money in the camaro than in the gt500 just modifying parts to handle alot more hp. Plus for an extra $2k if that, you can have a gt500 making over 600rwhp. Hell, stock the 2010's make 510 rwhp. Put $2k in the 2010 and you will be pushing over 650 rwhp. NO, a modded Camaro (ligenfelter, slp, LS7, w/e) will not outrun a slightly modded gt500 making 650 rwhp or around there. Maybe modded with some NOS and a s/c you could outrun a gt500 but your engine might not even last one pass.

Yes, I have a 2010 gt500 on order and I have no preference between Dodge, Ford, & Chevy. I actually had a Camaro on order before this. But i did my research and i thought the gt500 was a better choice for me. Not everyone can afford it but if you can it's a good deal IMHO. People on here bashing the gt500 saying it's to much should really do their research before posting. There is alot that the gt500 offers that you have no idea about.

A) wow, condescend much? stop acting like your extensive google search revealed some long lost info that only a select few gt500 owners know about.

B) as to your "if you spend that then i'll just spend this" argument...who cares? everyone knows that you can spend money on any vehicle and make it go faster than something else

C) the reason people are "bashing" the gt500 is that at $47k its numbers just aren't all that impressive. i know you can do this or that to it and all that will accomplish is bring us right back to statement B

so if YOU want the gt500 then YOU should go buy what YOU want and just be happy you are financially able to make that decision. you don't have to come on here acting like a condescending tool in order to defend your personal preferrence in vehicles

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