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[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by Netraa

So, I have a question for all the rest of us LLT v6'ers.

How many of you just had your build plans go up in smoke with the results of the RX top mount?

I've been building my plan around that supercharger with the erroneous assumption that it would fit under a stock hood.

If I dump the supercharger, then I don't need more than 2/3 of the rest of the hard mods that i had planned for the car and with the tuning 'fun' this car is, very much makes this engine combo back into a dead end.

Of course, i still love the car, but it feels like it's knees have been chopped out from under it.

Is this common, or is it just the disappointment feeling larger than it really is.

~N

I'm in the exact same boat as you, as you can probably tell. I was planning on that as the future for this car. That's why I bought the dual valve catch can specifically. Now it's scrapped. I don't want a remote mounted SC, I don't want turbos, and I certainly don't want 6'' of supercharger sticking out of my hood.

Now it looks like SC customers have to budget another $1500-ish for a compatible hood. Sweet. Might as well trade in on an SS once you add in that expense to an already pricey chinese SC option that probably won't ever matter because Vince can't properly tune these ECMs for FI according to some that have gone that route.

I won't be doing any big mods now. I'll probably do a Black Ice, washer relocation and scoop, and ported TB, that's about it.

The LLT was a major headache and an overall disappointment for anyone interested in modding. I'll be looking to get out of this car sooner rather than later.

[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by Netraa

So, I have a question for all the rest of us LLT v6'ers.

How many of you just had your build plans go up in smoke with the results of the RX top mount?

I've been building my plan around that supercharger with the erroneous assumption that it would fit under a stock hood.

If I dump the supercharger, then I don't need more than 2/3 of the rest of the hard mods that i had planned for the car and with the tuning 'fun' this car is, very much makes this engine combo back into a dead end.

Of course, i still love the car, but it feels like it's knees have been chopped out from under it.

Is this common, or is it just the disappointment feeling larger than it really is.

~N

As much as I love my car I don't think I will ever go that far into it. I would love to have a High performance build but honestly the LLT is not the best candidate for it. I was very excited for this top mount SC since it could lead to other possibilities for our cars but seeing how the hood needs to be modified I don't think many will go for it now.

Honestly for me I plan to call it a day with my engine modding once I get my long tubes and a tune to get rid of the CEL that comes along with it. I probably will do some other minor things and suspension but once I get LT my engine modding is done for

[kjkjr27]

Originally Posted by menendez1293

As much as I love my car I don't think I will ever go that far into it. I would love to have a High performance build but honestly the LLT is not the best candidate for it. I was very excited for this top mount SC since it could lead to other possibilities for our cars but seeing how the hood needs to be modified I don't think many will go for it now.

Honestly for me I plan to call it a day with my engine modding once I get my long tubes and a tune to get rid of the CEL that comes along with it. I probably will do some other minor things and suspension but once I get LT my engine modding is done for

Same here, I never really wanted to go FI either it be SC or turbos or even nitrous (not really a fan of it although it is cheap enough maybe one day . The way I see it is: I'm young (23) having my camaro be first car I ever started modding, still learning things about cars. No need for me to go over board and go FI honestly. If I ever want to go FI I will down the road prob on something other than my LT.

With that being said I do appreciate how things have "evolved" for our car. In the beginning we barely had anything to add as a mod since I believe these engines weren't in anything people would normally mod, unlike the LS3 and L99. Yet despite the trouble with tuning and such I give mad props to Rx developing both their SC, Mace and Rx with the cam/head combo, Trifecta and IPF with the tuning issues. I know it isn't easy but they aren't giving up and are trying to see what can be done to the LLT, it may or may not be a lost cause who knows. But I do appreciate the effort that is being put in.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by kjkjr27

Same here, I never really wanted to go FI either it be SC or turbos or even nitrous (not really a fan of it although it is cheap enough maybe one day . The way I see it is: I'm young (23) having my camaro be first car I ever started modding, still learning things about cars. No need for me to go over board and go FI honestly. If I ever want to go FI I will down the road prob on something other than my LT.

With that being said I do appreciate how things have "evolved" for our car. In the beginning we barely had anything to add as a mod since I believe these engines weren't in anything people would normally mod, unlike the LS3 and L99. Yet despite the trouble with tuning and such I give mad props to Rx developing both their SC, Mace and Rx with the cam/head combo, Trifecta and IPF with the tuning issues. I know it isn't easy but they aren't giving up and are trying to see what can be done to the LLT, it may or may not be a lost cause who knows. But I do appreciate the effort that is being put in.

I agree with you guys and after some disturbing PMs with tracy from RX it looks like I'm going to need another engine rebuild...2 in less than 50,000 miles, and my tranny issue still hasn't been addressed...WTF!

[LIM3]

I haven't kept up with the root Sc kit.
Why is everyone ditching the supercharger system now ? The root just needs a new hood right ? Or is there something wrong with the kit itself

[menendez1293]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

I agree with you guys and after some disturbing PMs with tracy from RX it looks like I'm going to need another engine rebuild...2 in less than 50,000 miles, and my tranny issue still hasn't been addressed...WTF!

If you don't mind me asking what exactly did Tracy tell you about your misfires?

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by SC2150

Or go with our entry level front mount for app 1/2 the price:

Is this a picture of the IPF SC kit instead of your own, b/c last time I looked, the RX SC kit looked like this:




Here is IPF:

[lscamaro]

If that's an RX kit, I'd like to know what companies supercharger it is.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

I'm not convinced anybody can tune it...

I think it is pretty obvious that IPF can tune a supercharger for the LLT. Sure they don't offer what you want, but their results have been proven over and over on the dyno by now.

Originally Posted by Netraa

Is this common, or is it just the disappointment feeling larger than it really is.

~N

Sure it definitely is disappointing. A top mount option would be great. But is there really enough room for that type of application on the V6...was there ever a hope of putting that under the stock hood? I don't think so, unless someone knows of a very short top mount solution...which I don't.

I'm still very interested to see how it runs, but that's about it for me. I could never have the hood cut open like that.

But I'm still happy with my car. The LLT puts out good power...I don't care what anyone says.

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

The LLT was a major headache and an overall disappointment for anyone interested in modding. I'll be looking to get out of this car sooner rather than later.

Lack of tuning support was definitely a major headache, and a road block for us. That said, we are still seeing these V6s crank out nearly 350 HP at the crank....I think that is pretty damn good.

For me, again and again it comes down to two things for this car. Weight being the number 1 problem, and 2...lack of any performance package like the Mustang has.

That said, still love my car and I'm definitely going to be in it until all the next gen pony cars are released...and I may end up keeping it still.

[lscamaro]

Originally Posted by Netraa

So, I have a question for all the rest of us LLT v6'ers.

How many of you just had your build plans go up in smoke with the results of the RX top mount?

I've been building my plan around that supercharger with the erroneous assumption that it would fit under a stock hood.

If I dump the supercharger, then I don't need more than 2/3 of the rest of the hard mods that i had planned for the car and with the tuning 'fun' this car is, very much makes this engine combo back into a dead end.

Of course, i still love the car, but it feels like it's knees have been chopped out from under it.

Is this common, or is it just the disappointment feeling larger than it really is.

~N

It's not really that big a disappointment for me. I was basically already worried that it'd come down to the tuning where this kit would either be made or broken but now that you have to modify the hood or add the cost of an aftermarket one, that's the nail in the coffin for me on this kit.

I completely agree with CD07 though. It's all about tuning in FI and it looks like only one company has been able to get it down. I'd love to see a great tune behind this kit but I guess we will see what happens.

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

I'm in the exact same boat as you, as you can probably tell. I was planning on that as the future for this car. That's why I bought the dual valve catch can specifically. Now it's scrapped. I don't want a remote mounted SC, I don't want turbos, and I certainly don't want 6'' of supercharger sticking out of my hood.

Now it looks like SC customers have to budget another $1500-ish for a compatible hood. Sweet. Might as well trade in on an SS once you add in that expense to an already pricey chinese SC option that probably won't ever matter because Vince can't properly tune these ECMs for FI according to some that have gone that route.

I won't be doing any big mods now. I'll probably do a Black Ice, washer relocation and scoop, and ported TB, that's about it.

The LLT was a major headache and an overall disappointment for anyone interested in modding. I'll be looking to get out of this car sooner rather than later.

I'll definitely not be going for any major FI unless I can get a smokin deal or something. But after contemplating, it's completely not worth it with the LLT. I'll probably run a small shot of nitrous through it for my "fix" and leave it at that. Probably work on more cosmetics and suspension now to at least make it a fun and good looking car.

I definitely agree with you that it's all in the tuning and only one company has been able to get it down so far.

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

I agree with you guys and after some disturbing PMs with tracy from RX it looks like I'm going to need another engine rebuild...2 in less than 50,000 miles, and my tranny issue still hasn't been addressed...WTF!

Might be time to trade in and get out of the LLT. If that was my car, I'd be raising hell with GM though. 2 engine replacements in that short of time is unacceptable.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by menendez1293

If you don't mind me asking what exactly did Tracy tell you about your misfires?

There is oil on the spark plug thread, and its misfiring, meaning too much oil is getting sucked into the cylinder. He thinks its very likely because I didn't have a can on for about 40,000 miles after the engine was rebuilt at 9,000 miles. Thus the piston rings are all gunked up. Granted this is a sort of over the phone type diagnosis but I think he knows what hes talking about. The tech at my dealer is pretty good so we'll see what he does to fix it. I'm out of the mod game for quite a while now because this is going to take forever. Hopefully it gets fixed but depending on whats done I won't be able to touch anything until I make sure its 100% fixed. This is going to pretty much ruin all my plans for summer and fall unless I luck out and its something small.

Originally Posted by lscamaro

Might be time to trade in and get out of the LLT. If that was my car, I'd be raising hell with GM though. 2 engine replacements in that short of time is unacceptable.

I won a lemon law case over the first rebuild because it happened at 9,000 miles and it was in 2010 when the cars just came out. They had it at the dealer for literally 45 days straight because GM refused to give me a new engine. Now their probably going to have to come out of pocket again and fix the engine again. I think I may have signed something though that says there can be no more lemon cases with this car. I'll still call Customer Service depending on what the actual problem is and see if they can work with me. Its at 50,000 miles and no longer a new car so they only have to honor the warranty, different scenario this time. But still ridiculous.

I think I'm going to just finish up my cosmetic mods and put the car up for sale to see if I can get any bites. If I get the price I want I'll let it go.

Problem is there is no other car in my price range I want to be driving right now. The only other cars I'd want are an SS 5th gen or an Aston Martin Coupe and I cant afford the Aston. So maybe I'll get an 8 or another V6 but get an LFX instead.

Main priority now though is getting this car running right. I'll let you guys know what happens because I have a feeling others will eventually run into this issue.

[nikos30]

Will I have inspection problems when I do the rear cat delete?

[lscamaro]

Depends on the rules of your state

[nikos30]

im in NJ, idk :(