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Old 07-14-2009, 04:11 AM   #169
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everyone complains, no one does anything.
Including GM.

I've been one of the great GM appologists on here. I was even called a fanboy.

I bought this car for the acceleration and style. No doubt I got the style. Performance, no.
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:47 AM   #170
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Including GM.

I've been one of the great GM appologists on here. I was even called a fanboy.

I bought this car for the acceleration and style. No doubt I got the style. Performance, no.
Ditto.
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:44 AM   #171
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Mine will be on the dyno at Speedinc tomorrow morning. Ill post the results. My car kind of feels like its lacking until almost 4500-5000 rpms.
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:17 PM   #172
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Mine will be on the dyno at Speedinc tomorrow morning. Ill post the results. My car kind of feels like its lacking until almost 4500-5000 rpms.
That's exactly my issue. Bonnies family was NOT impressed at all.

I'm in love with the Camaro. Just not mine. My car just sucks for performance. rpepka's car coming back with the GM stamp of approval is discouraging. :(

I'm taking mine to my dealer with my Dyno results tomarrow. We'll see what happens. I can't find another Dyno even close. Well, not one that will let me in.
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:43 PM   #173
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I'll be getting on the dyno at ADM performance by Monday morning at the latest, if not sooner (come on ADM, get me in sooner!) and I will post the results back here for comparison.
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:46 PM   #174
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I'll be getting on the dyno at ADM performance by Monday morning at the latest, if not sooner (come on ADM, get me in sooner!) and I will post the results back here for comparison.
Cool. Can't wait.
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Old 07-14-2009, 03:49 PM   #175
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pq,

you have been talking with Scott right? I know you have limited time to hang out at a dealer but it sounds like he's on the right track...

that should help you get yours sorted shouldn't it?
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That's exactly my issue. Bonnies family was NOT impressed at all.

I'm in love with the Camaro. Just not mine. My car just sucks for performance. rpepka's car coming back with the GM stamp of approval is discouraging. :(

I'm taking mine to my dealer with my Dyno results tomarrow. We'll see what happens. I can't find another Dyno even close. Well, not one that will let me in.
Good Luck Randy
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pq,

you have been talking with Scott right? I know you have limited time to hang out at a dealer but it sounds like he's on the right track...

that should help you get yours sorted shouldn't it?
Ya, I've been talking to him. When I was at my dealer for the oil on Thursday I told them I needed to start one of these but I had to bring it back because I was playing hookey at the time. I'm taking it to them tomorrow. WITH my Dyno sheets. I don't want to get ahead of myself but if they tell me it's fine, and Scotts comes back with them saying it's fine, then I will persue the Lemon Law here in Alabama. I've allready contacted Barry Dumas, our lawyer who represented us in our non-compete hearings. He's a damn good one I'll tell you that. I basicaly just wanted to ask if he would do it.

I'm hoping not, but not sure what else to do at that point.

I considered that maybe I'm just launching the car wrong but I've now done it EVERY way possible. Conservatively on the throttle and ease into the WOT. With TC. Without TC. Paddles. Sport. Revs up to break stand. You name it. You would think if it were the 'driver' I would have gotten lucky at least ONCE. It's NOT me. It's the car. The one on the dynolicous where it showed 4.53 was downhill.

I've been a GM supporter through this whole thing. Defended on every turn. STILL DO. I'm confident that they will recognize a problem and fix it. But with rpepca getting his back like he did, I don't feel so good suddenly.
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Ya, I've been talking to him. When I was at my dealer for the oil on Thursday I told them I needed to start one of these but I had to bring it back because I was playing hookey at the time. I'm taking it to them tomorrow. WITH my Dyno sheets. I don't want to get ahead of myself but if they tell me it's fine, and Scotts comes back with them saying it's fine, then I will persue the Lemon Law here in Alabama. I've allready contacted Barry Dumas, our lawyer who represented us in our non-compete hearings. He's a damn good one I'll tell you that. I basicaly just wanted to ask if he would do it.

I'm hoping not, but not sure what else to do at that point.

I considered that maybe I'm just launching the car wrong but I've now done it EVERY way possible. Conservatively on the throttle and ease into the WOT. With TC. Without TC. Paddles. Sport. Revs up to break stand. You name it. You would think if it were the 'driver' I would have gotten lucky at least ONCE. It's NOT me. It's the car. The one on the dynolicous where it showed 4.53 was downhill.

I've been a GM supporter through this whole thing. Defended on every turn. STILL DO. I'm confident that they will recognize a problem and fix it. But with rpepca getting his back like he did, I don't feel so good suddenly.
Yeah, good luck with all of this. Having a slow SS Camaro just plain SUCKS!
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:34 PM   #180
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Yeah, good luck with all of this. Having a slow SS Camaro just plain SUCKS!
Damn sure does. Everytime I see a Mustang, I get depressed. Soooooooo unexited about my car. :(
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:10 PM   #181
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I'm 99% sure the dealer isn't going to do anything to fix a overly-rich tune.

You know what must be done now...

Get a tuner to fix that A/F ratio, and get that thing running right. Don't put your faith in the dealership to get this fixed, as one slower Camaro (that has no obvious issues) is not a concern to them. If you think the dealership is going to fix your tuning issues, you're going to be disappointed.
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Old 07-14-2009, 05:20 PM   #182
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Different dynos and other considerations...but I was really surprised by the #'s...

here's my 'stock' dyno...keep in mind mine is the LS3, but I still wouldn't expect at 70+hp variance....

We've been seeing similar results....

Below are graphs showing a manual vs. an auto

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Auto (Stock vs. Tuned)

The baseline numbers were 323 RWHP / 312 RWTQ, the tuned numbers were 339 RWHP / 360 RWTQ. Similar to our proven G8 tunes, it did pick up power, but our transmission calibration with reduced torque management and improved shift points make it feel like a whole different car!

Peak gains were +16 RWHP, + 48 RWTQ (typical RWTQ gains are +15-20) If you notice around 4,400 rpms, however there were huge gains in power and torque.



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