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stovt001 · 07-19-2009, 08:36 PM

It was one of the first post-bankruptcy GM ads I've seen other than the reinvention one. They made sure to point out that it got better highway fuel economy than the Toyota Rav4, Honda CR-V, and Ford Escape Hybrid. So put that in your green pipe and... er well that would create greenhouse gasses, so nevermind, but yeah... Way to go quality conventional engine!

ljustin293 · 07-19-2009, 08:41 PM

I saw that one as well

comiskeybum · 07-19-2009, 09:21 PM

looks like a great vehicle. HOWEVER. I have to question its longevity. The vue/equinox/rendevous did "below average" in reliability standards in the Used car buying guide from consumer reports.

I realize its All new design so maybe that will help. But i would not buy this CUV the first year of production simply becuase its reliability history is questionable.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-19-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by comiskeybum

looks like a great vehicle. HOWEVER. I have to question its longevity. The vue/equinox/rendevous did "below average" in reliability standards in the Used car buying guide from consumer reports.

I realize its All new design so maybe that will help. But i would not buy this CUV the first year of production simply becuase its reliability history is questionable.

Everything about it but the chassis is totally new. Obviously, we know first-year cars have their hiccups. But this thing has a new interior, exterior, AND totally revamped powertrain. No stinky China engine, anymore....

stovt001 · 07-19-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by comiskeybum

looks like a great vehicle. HOWEVER. I have to question its longevity. The vue/equinox/rendevous did "below average" in reliability standards in the Used car buying guide from consumer reports.

I realize its All new design so maybe that will help. But i would not buy this CUV the first year of production simply becuase its reliability history is questionable.

Keep in mind Consumer Reports admits it rates reliability on brand reputation. They don't even look at any data on Toyota or Honda vehicles. Those brands automatically get "above average" reliability ratings. Combined with the car seat testing fiasco, they have zero credibility in my book.

FenwickHockey65 · 07-19-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by comiskeybum

looks like a great vehicle. HOWEVER. I have to question its longevity. The vue/equinox/rendevous did "below average" in reliability standards in the Used car buying guide from consumer reports.

I realize its All new design so maybe that will help. But i would not buy this CUV the first year of production simply becuase its reliability history is questionable.

You listen to Consumer Reports...

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-19-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Combined with the car seat testing fiasco, they have zero credibility in my book.

Whoa!...I must've missed this!. Do tell, I'd love more ammo against those hacks.

stovt001 · 07-19-2009, 10:04 PM

I can't remember the details fully, but they tested baby car seats and found all but one to be severely lacking, but if I recall correctly they used insanely high speeds for the crash tests (at least double what cars are crash tested at) and I think the speeds might have also varied. Given that they admit blind, unfounded bias in favor of certain auto manufacturers, I wouldn't put it past them to also have a preferred car booster seat manufacturer that was blessed with some of the slower speed tests.

Edit: Straight from Consumer Reports

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/b...w/0507seat.htm

So I was wrong, two seats made it through OK, not just one. Also I don't see anything in here about the varied speeds, so I don't know if that was mentioned in a different article on the incident or if I'm confusing that with something else entirely. The best part about all this is this happened almost at the same time that CR was forced to acknowledge they automatically grant Honda and Toyota the highest reliability marks regardless of what the data says.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-19-2009, 10:58 PM

Cool...well, not cool, but you know what I mean.

comiskeybum · 07-20-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Everything about it but the chassis is totally new. Obviously, we know first-year cars have their hiccups. But this thing has a new interior, exterior, AND totally revamped powertrain. No stinky China engine, anymore....

awesome. and i dont need to listen to consumer reports. my brother had an 03 equinox that needed to be bored out at 70k miles. so i know from family members the story of the equinox.

but when on a forum id rather site a source everyone can check in to.

as far as the new Equinox, yes i hope it does well because if it does it will be in the running for my wife's new car in 3 years. if we cant find a nice Forrester, the equinox is for sure a back up! As long as its reliability is good! Because lets be honest, not many small SUV's last longer than Forresters.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 07-20-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by comiskeybum

Because lets be honest, not many small SUV's last longer than Forresters.

I'm convinced that vehicle longevity is based almost totally on maintenance and general vehicle care. That goes for Toyotas and Subarus and GM vehicles the same. I know a friend who blew up his engine in his Subaru at 120,000 miles, for example.

comiskeybum · 07-20-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'm convinced that vehicle longevity is based almost totally on maintenance and general vehicle care. That goes for Toyotas and Subarus and GM vehicles the same. I know a friend who blew up his engine in his Subaru at 120,000 miles, for example.

well yes obviously. you have to be a smart owner in order to get the best out of your car. but facts are facts. there are 2 guys at work with forresters. one is a 2005 with 279,000 miles on it and no major repair. the other is a 1998 with 400,000 MILES ON IT and no major repair.

they have a good reputation for a reason.

that being said, im with you, i believe new cars these days can last a very long time. even my 2007 mustang is projected to last 200,000 miles. back in the day mustangs didnt last long at all!

*DGthe3* · 07-21-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stovt001

Keep in mind Consumer Reports admits it rates reliability on brand reputation. They don't even look at any data on Toyota or Honda vehicles. Those brands automatically get "above average" reliability ratings. Combined with the car seat testing fiasco, they have zero credibility in my book.

They don't do that anymore (at least not that they will admit to). They changed their policy recently after the Tundra and ???? were having significant problems.

BigRigMike · 07-21-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

They don't do that anymore (at least not that they will admit to). They changed their policy recently after the Tundra and ???? were having significant problems.

I think it was the Tundra and V6 Camry that were downgraded.

07-19-2009, 08:36 PM	#1
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Saw an Equinox ad on TV today It was one of the first post-bankruptcy GM ads I've seen other than the reinvention one. They made sure to point out that it got better highway fuel economy than the Toyota Rav4, Honda CR-V, and Ford Escape Hybrid. So put that in your green pipe and... er well that would create greenhouse gasses, so nevermind, but yeah... Way to go quality conventional engine! __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

07-19-2009, 10:04 PM	#8
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	I can't remember the details fully, but they tested baby car seats and found all but one to be severely lacking, but if I recall correctly they used insanely high speeds for the crash tests (at least double what cars are crash tested at) and I think the speeds might have also varied. Given that they admit blind, unfounded bias in favor of certain auto manufacturers, I wouldn't put it past them to also have a preferred car booster seat manufacturer that was blessed with some of the slower speed tests. Edit: Straight from Consumer Reports http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/b...w/0507seat.htm So I was wrong, two seats made it through OK, not just one. Also I don't see anything in here about the varied speeds, so I don't know if that was mentioned in a different article on the incident or if I'm confusing that with something else entirely. The best part about all this is this happened almost at the same time that CR was forced to acknowledge they automatically grant Honda and Toyota the highest reliability marks regardless of what the data says. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

07-19-2009, 10:58 PM	#9
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Cool...well, not cool, but you know what I mean. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

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comiskeybum Banned Drives: 2010 Chevy Equinox LS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: South Bend, Indiana Posts: 799	looks like a great vehicle. HOWEVER. I have to question its longevity. The vue/equinox/rendevous did "below average" in reliability standards in the Used car buying guide from consumer reports. I realize its All new design so maybe that will help. But i would not buy this CUV the first year of production simply becuase its reliability history is questionable.