Why would I want a Z/28 over the ZL1?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by lbls1

I don't think that this is a productive debate. The cars are what they are; Just accept it. Both the ZL1 and Z28 are stellar performers and will have a great shot at becoming future automotive legends.

Nothing wrong with either car IMO.

Debate is good, that is what generates the ideas. I think everyone agrees that these three ZL1, Z/28 and 1LE are the most impressive group of musclecars to come out in such a short period and look at the results piling in. I am sure many of our questions will be answered in the future. I think just posing these questions drives the performance shops to create the toys we want and what becomes successful from them attracts the attention of the manufacturer. Like he said these all will be legends!

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Debate is good, that is what generates the ideas. I think everyone agrees that these three ZL1, Z/28 and 1LE are the most impressive group of musclecars to come out in such a short period and look at the results piling in. I am sure many of our questions will be answered in the future. I think just posing these questions drives the performance shops to create the toys we want and what becomes successful from them attracts the attention of the manufacturer. Like he said these all will be legends!

...good post, well said!

[noah677]

Originally Posted by NightmareZL1

All you do is troll on here and post negative useless comments. Your attitude of "it's faster because I think so" just doesn't cut it. Use your obviously giant intellect and post some type of comment with insight or thought. You're a smart guy right?!? I mean, you do have a keyboard, so you must know everything.
All I hear from you is, "GM told me, so it must be true." The poster child for Z28 fanboys is right here, the king even. All hail the King. Okay, you happy now? Go back to the Z28 forum where you are welcome and where your comments are on par, intellectually, with your peers. You are ridiculous. Your opinion is getting less and less valid. And, as far as the post you quoted on the "slippery slope of modding cars" - Tires are not a car mod. Tires are a wear item that you regularly change and especially change when going to a track day. Think about it, one can buy a Z06 with different tires, it is still a Z06. Tires only allow the car to use it's drivetrain suspension, and brakes to the fullest potential. Why are you so afraid of the ZL1 showing it's full potential with proper tires????
Give the Z28 better track tires too, oh wait, you can't because it already has it's track shoes on. Give the ZL1 track shoes too, and then the engineering of the car will be seen.
It is an inarguable fact that the ZL1 has so much more with proper tires.
It is still up for debate whether it can pace the Z28 that is 300lbs lighter.
But, you have no leg to stand on when saying that it is impossible. That is you koolaid talking.

O h yeah, i called it on the 7:37 of the predicted Z28 track times. I said the best it would get would be 3 seconds for the tire advantage. All you Z28 dreamers with you 7:20 times...well, haha. keep dreaming if you think a giant camaro will be faster than a corvette with the same engine.

For the MODS, I never called any one stupid or retarded in this post, so you can't block me. Like you blocked me in the Z28 forum.

NIGHTMARE THANKS so much for this post. It is right on and saves me from taking this totally, complete bodily challenged guy. There is always one like him which on this great forum is to bad

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by noah677

NIGHTMARE THANKS so much for this post. It is right on and saves me from taking this totally, complete bodily challenged guy. There is always one like him which on this great forum is to bad

I'm not sure if you're speaking of me? However if you are (based on my comments regarding your post); First, your comments make no sense even after trying to decipher them a couple of times. Second, your condescending attitude towards "GM" should be a turn off to anyone desiring to own or to those who own a GM product.

[NightmareZL1]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I'm not sure if you're speaking of me? However if you are (based on my comments regarding your post); First, your comments make no sense even after trying to decipher them a couple of times. Second, your condescending attitude towards "GM" should be a turn off to anyone desiring to own or to those who own a GM product.

GM makes crap products. You would know If you have driven and audi S or a BMW M, or even simple infiniti G37. Hell, I had a lexus that was perfect from 0 to 38000 miles - only 3 oil changes and zero warranty work. That lexus purred like new the day i traded it in. Those are relatively low priced cars that have impecable build quality - initial and long term.

GM makes Fast "crap" I was raised GM, and I love GM (currently have corvette and ZL1), but I will not recommend GM to anyone who wants engineering quality.

For example, I have owned 6 corvettes, all have had tons of issues, especially build materials. engines have all been awesome. The best made of the bunch was a 2006 Z06 and it had electrical issues, repeated motor mount issues, roof delamination, drive shaft coupler failures, squeaky brakes, loose trim pieces, seats that pogo-ed back and forth, zero lumbar support, the most horrible in dash Navigation system, valves that liked to fall into the engine and lifters that fail and destroy your motor at 27000 miles (that happened to me)

GM makes crap. No argument. But, I like their crap, it has style, gets attention, and makes me smile - When it is not in the service department for repairs. warranties are great, but it still sucks to drop it off at the dealer every month. That is a common theme with GM products. And a good reason to rag on them.

[NightmareZL1]

Originally Posted by CobraBall

Yep, someone has hurt feelings.

The hurt feeling will be in the seats of Z28 owners who get thier asses handed to them by stock ZL1's and modded SS camaros.

[NightmareZL1]

Originally Posted by CobraBall

It's odd, yes, but there's no way that wet lap was the best lap recorded or truly indicative of what the car is capable of. In the last third of the lap, the car was obviously a handful because of the conditions.



As opposed to "OMG, blah, blah, blah, the cars have to be absolutely identical otherwise it's not a fair comparison!"? That sounds like hurt pride to me.

So, if we can bump up the ZL1's tires, can we also mod the Z28 to make up for the 70 hp deficit here? Afterall, we're trying to even up the comparison, right? That is what you're trying to accomplish by swapping out the ZL1s tires, correct? Isn't fair to bump up the Z28 to ZL1 power levels then?

Do you see the ridiculous slippery slope you create here when you start modding cars in an attempt to make them equal for comparison sake? They'll never be equal and that's not the point. You can mod anything to be fast. The only true, valid comparison is showroom stock vs showroom stock.

GM did not design the tires. They made a car. They picked track tires for the OEM. Put some track tires on the other car at the track as well. Sticky what one uses on a track. These Goodyear Supercar tires are a joke and turn to powder before they stick.

[Mister Will]

Just to add my two cents.

But if I were to take a base Camaro SS and want to make it go faster. The mods I would use would probably make the car look more like a Z/28 than a ZL1. I would prefer the N/A engine, lighter weight, easier cooling.

That being said I will probably end up with a ZL1 for reasons (price, availability) which should be obvious.

[gen=5]

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

Unless you're comparing the ZL1 to a GT500 on the drag strip, then it's a track car again.

See what a lot of people seem to forget is that the gt500 can not do it over and over and over without overheating the braking,and other parts of the car..the ZL1 is the best overall car,drag,roadcourse(z is faster),and on the street..yes the stock gt500 is faster on the dragstrip,but try doing 30 times in a row,yes the new gt500 beat on one lap on one road course,but on the second lap it was almost a second slower after winning the first lap by what 1/4 of a second then by the 4th lap it was time to park it(4.5 secs down).The brakes gave out ,and other things started to get hot,on the street the ZL1 has already proven it rides better,and the base Z/28,has no a/c,the lights sucks compared to HID no fog lights,or any wiring to install them. Thats going to suck on west coast or any coast line in the fog !!!! so yes its not always the best doing something once but its the best at doing it for the least about of money per hp compared to the Z28...they are all great cars and we are living in the best time period for motorsports ever..be happy with what you have. Some of us have the right Ideal ,Dont worry who thinks what,does it really matter..

[1sikss]

sounds like zl1 owners are just hating cause the z/28 is the better car no matter what that car looks way sicker and more aggressive than the zl1.... and plus ppl havent even drove it how can everyone start comparing... either way z/28 is gonna be at the top of the camaros

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 1sikss

sounds like zl1 owners are just hating cause the z/28 is the better car no matter what that car looks way sicker and more aggressive than the zl1.... and plus ppl havent even drove it how can everyone start comparing... either way z/28 is gonna be at the top of the camaros

and plus ppl havent even drove it how can everyone start comparing, either way z/28 is gonna be at the top of the camaros.


You might want to read your own post!


There really isn't a top Camaro! They each have their purpose. What about the COPO and if you say it isn't street legal you are right.

[gen=5]

Originally Posted by NightmareZL1

GM makes crap products. You would know If you have driven and audi S or a BMW M, or even simple infiniti G37. Hell, I had a lexus that was perfect from 0 to 38000 miles - only 3 oil changes and zero warranty work. That lexus purred like new the day i traded it in. Those are relatively low priced cars that have impecable build quality - initial and long term.

GM makes Fast "crap" I was raised GM, and I love GM (currently have corvette and ZL1), but I will not recommend GM to anyone who wants engineering quality.

For example, I have owned 6 corvettes, all have had tons of issues, especially build materials. engines have all been awesome. The best made of the bunch was a 2006 Z06 and it had electrical issues, repeated motor mount issues, roof delamination, drive shaft coupler failures, squeaky brakes, loose trim pieces, seats that pogo-ed back and forth, zero lumbar support, the most horrible in dash Navigation system, valves that liked to fall into the engine and lifters that fail and destroy your motor at 27000 miles (that happened to me)

GM makes crap. No argument. But, I like their crap, it has style, gets attention, and makes me smile - When it is not in the service department for repairs. warranties are great, but it still sucks to drop it off at the dealer every month. That is a common theme with GM products. And a good reason to rag on them.

man sounds like you need to go get a Honda civic ,lol
I have had lots of GM cars without a single issue..my 02 Yukon was driven till it hit 85k,and then the TB motor gave out,other than that it was perfect...

but the real crap when it really comes to cars were the first Hyundai vehicles that came into the u.s door handles came off in your hand during new car test drives,too long of a list...
Performance brake pads make noise,increasing hp will cause mount issues,and the drive shafts are made from rubber,etc..

[gen=5]

Originally Posted by lbls1

I really would not go there with the Z/28 vs. ZL1 debate. Looking at a glance, it may seem puzzling that chevy would produce two pony cars that are relatively heavy and a tad underpowered to Ford's GT500.

Looking closely at the attributes of the ZL1 and Z/28, to me the purpose of both cars are clear and distinct. The Z/28 is absolutely legendary in terms of track handling. It is purposely built for running on the track. The ZL1 also has its purpose, in that it offers a more rounded performance offering of (considerable) track ability, street and/or touring performance, and daily driving amenities. Both cars counter the Ford with better handling and driveability; While admitingly that's a hard sell in terms of street racing, on the other hand the improved track abilities have made camaro a name to recognize in terms of modern car performance.

I wouldn't get into a debate as to which camaro is better etc., because each model has its own distinct purpose and identity. You can only determine which car is best for one's purpose and objective.

I think that pretty much says it the best,and should put the subject to bed..

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by NightmareZL1

GM makes crap products. You would know If you have driven and audi S or a BMW M, or even simple infiniti G37. Hell, I had a lexus that was perfect from 0 to 38000 miles - only 3 oil changes and zero warranty work. That lexus purred like new the day i traded it in. Those are relatively low priced cars that have impecable build quality - initial and long term.

GM makes Fast "crap" I was raised GM, and I love GM (currently have corvette and ZL1), but I will not recommend GM to anyone who wants engineering quality.

For example, I have owned 6 corvettes, all have had tons of issues, especially build materials. engines have all been awesome. The best made of the bunch was a 2006 Z06 and it had electrical issues, repeated motor mount issues, roof delamination, drive shaft coupler failures, squeaky brakes, loose trim pieces, seats that pogo-ed back and forth, zero lumbar support, the most horrible in dash Navigation system, valves that liked to fall into the engine and lifters that fail and destroy your motor at 27000 miles (that happened to me)

GM makes crap. No argument. But, I like their crap, it has style, gets attention, and makes me smile - When it is not in the service department for repairs. warranties are great, but it still sucks to drop it off at the dealer every month. That is a common theme with GM products. And a good reason to rag on them.

That is unfortunate. I've never really had major issues with any GM vehicles I've owned. 2005 Chevy Colorado had 0 issues. 2010 Camaro had 0 issues (until I started heavily moding it), 2013 ZL1 only issue is a creaking chair. HOWEVER I do find it extremely annoying and for a $60k car I expect my seat to not sound like a rocking chair..

Originally Posted by 1sikss

sounds like zl1 owners are just hating cause the z/28 is the better car no matter what that car looks way sicker and more aggressive than the zl1.... and plus ppl havent even drove it how can everyone start comparing... either way z/28 is gonna be at the top of the camaros

Looks are subjective, in my personal opinion I strongly dislike the rear of the new Camaros (2014+) and the hood vent on the Z/28 looks like something you would get from Autozone (my opinion), the small size just seems odd to me. The ZL1 heat extractor/vent looks like it belongs.