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AGP Turbo · 10-24-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nl12

Which turbos would be best to make 800RWHP on a 418 LS3 for the widest power band and response?

If you only want 800whp then some smaller S200sx 56mm would be perfect. Or some ballbearing turbos about the same size if cost isn't an issue. Ether should be capable of 800whp on pump gas with that motor.

GQ4Life · 10-24-2013, 01:01 PM

AGP Zeta 3.0 Ball Bearing
I want to see their full boost rpm

Sent From The Q on the Galaxy S4

stevieturbo · 10-24-2013, 01:06 PM

Only hassle with the Garrett based BB cores, they also require water.

Unobtainium · 10-24-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nl12

Which turbos would be best to make 800RWHP on a 418 LS3 for the widest power band and response?

Dual EFR's will make that power with a great powerband.
Dual 7064's would be a hell of a ride. They cost more, but have TiAl exhuast wheels, and super-beefy center sections. Indy Car uses them. Dual 6758's in twins set-ups, or single 9180's.

Unobtainium · 10-24-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

Only hassle with the Garrett based BB cores, they also require water.

Will extend the life. Less coking in the center section. Worth it.

GQ4Life · 10-24-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Unobtainium

Dual EFR's will make that power with a great powerband.
Dual 7064's would be a hell of a ride. They cost more, but have TiAl exhuast wheels, and super-beefy center sections. Indy Car uses them. Dual 6758's in twins set-ups, or single 9180's.

Really cant wait to see dyno of these things.. see how that tq starts..

AGP Turbo · 10-24-2013, 03:27 PM

Precision ball bearing turbos fit super easy and they have soo many great sizes to choose from.
We can also build some BW EFR turbo's into a kit. We were just test fitting a pair of 7670's yesterday.
So many turbo options.

stevieturbo · 10-24-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Unobtainium

Will extend the life. Less coking in the center section. Worth it.

Use proper oil and dont drive like a loon, and it's a non issue IMO. Routing water to/from low mounted units would be placing hoses in bad spots.

Garrett seems to be the only company now requiring water on their BB units.

Almost every other brand can do without

Unobtainium · 10-24-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

Use proper oil and dont drive like a loon, and it's a non issue IMO. Routing water to/from low mounted units would be placing hoses in bad spots.

Garrett seems to be the only company now requiring water on their BB units.

Almost every other brand can do without

Sure, but most recommend them and have the passage built-in.
Drive like a loon? Who wouldn't with turbos? Turbo timer is very important if you don't have a water cooled center section, and yes, long boost events (especially with a blanket) will hurt the oil. That's why I went with the water cooled, because I'm putting turbos on to drive the way I want.
I'm not saying you have to have it though. Just like you don't need synthetic oil. It's recommended...

GQ4Life · 10-24-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Unobtainium

Sure, but most recommend them and have the passage built-in.
Drive like a loon? Who wouldn't with turbos? Turbo timer is very important if you don't have a water cooled center section, and yes, long boost events (especially with a blanket) will hurt the oil. That's why I went with the water cooled, because I'm putting turbos on to drive the way I want.
I'm not saying you have to have it though. Just like you don't need synthetic oil. It's recommended...

I drive like a loon.. rather do water cooled because my oil cooled turbos I had to rebuild after like 50k miles.. I did have a oil timer

Unobtainium · 10-24-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

I drive like a loon.. rather do water cooled because my oil cooled turbos I had to rebuild after like 50k miles.. I did have a oil timer

There you go. I mean they are cheap to rebuild, but car is down,etc.

stevieturbo · 10-24-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Unobtainium

Sure, but most recommend them and have the passage built-in.
Drive like a loon? Who wouldn't with turbos? Turbo timer is very important if you don't have a water cooled center section, and yes, long boost events (especially with a blanket) will hurt the oil. That's why I went with the water cooled, because I'm putting turbos on to drive the way I want.
I'm not saying you have to have it though. Just like you don't need synthetic oil. It's recommended...

Drive like a loon = not having a sensible cool/shutdown. Turbo timers are for gay ricers.
Never had one in my life, owned dozens of turbocharged cars and never had a heat related turbo failure yet

And I wouldnt even consider not using a proper oil in a turbocharged car, other than when running in a new engine.

But yes if you can make it work, having water is an extra level of help

GQ4Life · 10-24-2013, 05:06 PM

No clue what it cost now but at time in texas was about $350
So cheaper then doing brakes lol

Milkman20 · 10-24-2013, 05:43 PM

So does this kit only work with the stock manifold or will it work with shorty headers too? Any gains to be found?

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GQ4Life Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fishkill, NY Posts: 5,197 View My Garage	AGP Zeta 3.0 Ball Bearing I want to see their full boost rpm Sent From The Q on the Galaxy S4 __________________ 2015 Corvette Z06.. Lime Rock Park 1:01; Watkins Glen 2:14; Thompson Speedway 1:21

10-24-2013, 05:06 PM	#601
GQ4Life Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fishkill, NY Posts: 5,197 View My Garage	No clue what it cost now but at time in texas was about $350 So cheaper then doing brakes lol __________________ 2015 Corvette Z06.. Lime Rock Park 1:01; Watkins Glen 2:14; Thompson Speedway 1:21

10-24-2013, 05:43 PM	#602
Milkman20 Drives: Red 2010 Camaro 2SS L99 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 208 View My Garage	So does this kit only work with the stock manifold or will it work with shorty headers too? Any gains to be found? __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS L99 6AT - 451 RWHP, 414 RWTQ TSP VVT-3 Cam DOD/AFM Delete, Ported Stock Heads, Circle-D 2B Multi Disk Converter, Custom 3" Exhaust w/Burns Mufflers Exhaust Clip: http://youtu.be/c_quv8eoVNQ

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stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,128	Only hassle with the Garrett based BB cores, they also require water.

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AGP Turbo Drives: All things Turbocharged Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: AZ Posts: 1,199	Precision ball bearing turbos fit super easy and they have soo many great sizes to choose from. We can also build some BW EFR turbo's into a kit. We were just test fitting a pair of 7670's yesterday. So many turbo options.