Why the Camaro is Doomed!!

[fbodfather]

well - I guess everyones' entitled to his or her opinion.

The bad part? They don't need to have a clue as to what they're talking about. And of course, they have nothing at stake.

Yup -- SURE we're gonna abort a car that has captured the hearts and minds of people worldwide. (YES -- worldwide -- you should see the crowds when we sent the concepts to shows in other countries.....)

[stovt001]

No worries. This is just more of the yellow journalism that has experienced a resurgence of late. With more competition throughout the media, journalistic outlets of all sorts are feeling greater competition. To attract an audience flooded with so many choices, they have to turn to the most outrageous statements. I have realized that if I took everything the media said at face value, I would be very depressed indeed. Just take a moment to do a reality check, and you'll realize everything isn't as bad as its made out to be.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

well - I guess everyones' entitled to his or her opinion.

The bad part? They don't need to have a clue as to what they're talking about. And of course, they have nothing at stake.

Yup -- SURE we're gonna abort a car that has captured the hearts and minds of people worldwide. (YES -- worldwide -- you should see the crowds when we sent the concepts to shows in other countries.....)

Not only that but to throw away all the work that's been done already just to meet a standard that's YEARS away is pretty silly.

[The_Blur]

GM will not abort the Camaro for any reason, but the success of this platform will depend almost entirely upon its fuel economy. Over the last few days of not posting, I've watched oil barrel prices continue to skyrocket. I love the idea of my first V8 being my dream Camaro, but the reality of this car is that I may never own a V8. I'm sorry to say that fuel economy is now a dictating factor for me. Like thousands of other car buyers, I will be lured more to the Camaro for its visual appeal, modifying it to look fly and ride smooth. 300 horsepower may have to be enough unless the V8 gets a very high fuel efficiency rating.

We can all blame CAFE for this, but the truth is that our economy is stumbling. We are all poorer as a result. In the meantime, 4-bangers and hybrids are eating up the marketshare of performance machines like the Chevrolet Camaro. In effect, we will spend less on our beloved pony cars than originally anticipated, but we will spend more at the pump. We can all do this, but the cost is higher than dollar signs. I'm coming out of college in a jobless economy with an already meaningless degree since the institutionalized collegiate system demands that everyone gets a degree. I will be paying for a degree that barely guarantees me retail employment and somehow I'm going to miraculously afford a Camaro V8 plus gas, rent, utilities, and loan payments. As it is now, I love fast cars, but I don't love them enough to sleep in them at night.

I am just like every other college senior, fearing a system that had at least some promise before the last presidential campaign but has lost all vigor since. International food prices rise, including those domestically, in part due to an approximated quarter of American corn going toward ethanol that is not improving the cost of gas in America. In the meantime, politicians tell oil executives that their profits are unacceptable, and yet they are accepting those profits, only to tax them. We won't see that money. It will all go to Iraq and Afghanistan (of course not to the veterans who served, though). In the meantime, people like me will graduate from college with the options of military service or retail to afford our post-college trailers, scooters, and extensive loans.

I'm sorry about the rant, but I'm so frustrated and stressed about college graduation and my prospects of paying for the impossible. Even if I can afford the Camaro, I can't afford the gas, but neither is as important as housing, food, and paying off loans. Millions of people are in my position, and this car, as gorgeous and class-dominating as it may be, faces serious problems. Chevrolet really messed up by killing the Camaro the first time. Now it is being entered into a V8-hostile market. If it doesn't miraculously get 4-banger mileage, the Camaro has no hope.

[Captain Awesome]

I find it ironic that congress brings the oil company execs to "testify" each time prices have spiked and they use the same tired old excuses and congress tell them it's unacceptable and does NOTHING.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I find it ironic that congress brings the oil company execs to "testify" each time prices have spiked and they use the same tired old excuses and congress tell them it's unacceptable and does NOTHING.

I guarantee that Congress will tax the oil companies thoroughly this time, but no one will benefit from those taxes.

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by fastball

As I've gotten older and more attune to the political world (which generally makes my stomach churn), I've found that the vocal minority will get more attention from our politicians than the quiet majority. I think most of us who prefer to drive a real car and not a buggeyed electric golf car are the same ones who vote our concience, but don't scream and cry and yell about it (if you get what I'm trying to say without actually saying it ).

I just heard today the person who will most likely be the presidential cadidate for said crybaby minority that (and I'm paraphrasing to save space) us as a country need to quit using so much air conditioning in the summer time, get rid of vehicles that are "needlessly large", and start cutting back on energy consuming entertainment...... and the crowd was goin nuts!

If we don't get people back into power who are on OUR side of this, we are just as much to blame for not being vocal about our personal beliefs. I really feel compelled more than ever to get more involved in the political process just to keep such a wave of nonsense from actually becomming legislature.

I think his article was one of the biggest loads of BS that I've read recently. I agree with your thoughts for the most part, the big problem is that if we decide to get "vocal" enough to try and make some changes in the idotic legislation that has been passed (and more that will be passed), who is going to listen? Certainly not any of the current crop of idiots in the U.S. Congress, they'll go along with anything to keep their beloved office. The real problem we have is the continued creep of this country towards socialism and restrictive legislation, the government should "watch over us and assure our well being" from the cradle to the grave. What a load of BS that so many people in this country have fallen for. We are blessed with a spineless Supreme Court that should have been declaring legislation as un-constitutional for the last 50 or more years, we have career politicians that do nothing all of their life but "slop at the trough" of public funds (that's the tax dollars we pay), they never create or produce anything constructive their entire life (so they contribute absolutely nothing to the US economy), simply saddle us with yet more assinine legislation. We are blessed with a liberal mainstream media that uses falsehoods, half truths, and innuendo to promote the agendas of these idiots at Disney On The Potomac. If you have an interest in seeing things improved in this country, for whatever good it will do, you need to start talking to the media, your government representatives, friends, relatives, even the misguided fool that wrote this article (didn't he write another real winner of an article a few months ago?). Start petitions at car club meetings, car shows, anywhere you can get a significant number of people willing to sign petitions to let those running the country know that the silent majority is pissed and we're not going to take it anymore.
Clyde

[screamingchicken88]

he acts like muscle cars are the only vehicles that get bad gas mileage... I see plenty of excessively big SUV's every day, but they couldn't possibly be the problem, right?? Not to mention the Camaro will have the 4 cylinder shutoff system. This guy needs to get some real information.

[Congoman775]

And in other news... david cook wins american idol.


who cares what this guy has to say?

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

And in other news... david cook wins american idol.


who cares what this guy has to say?

I think what the article is pointing out is that V8s are associated with poor gas mileage, much like diesels are associated with dirty emissions. Even if it isn't entirely accurate, most car buyers don't know as much about cars as we do. Regardless, it is impossible to argue that V8s are better than I4s when it comes to fuel efficiency. Even with AFM, GM V8s don't get exceptional gas mileage. AFM only kicks in when the car reaches cruising speed. If it were manual, I would agree that AFM would make a big difference because then the driver could decide how many cyliders to run at any given time, but GM doesn't give consumers the option. I think that being able to do that would be great, but that doesn't seem to be under consideration.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by screamingchicken88

he acts like muscle cars are the only vehicles that get bad gas mileage... I see plenty of excessively big SUV's every day, but they couldn't possibly be the problem, right?? Not to mention the Camaro will have the 4 cylinder shutoff system. This guy needs to get some real information.

Is this idiot some kind of anti-musclecar treehugger?

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

And in other news... david cook wins american idol.


who cares what this guy has to say?

Whew! There is a god. I don't follow the show but from the stuff I saw he was darn good and that little kid was a teenybopper hearthrob with a little talent and millions of screaming kiddies behind him.

[Mr. Wyndham]

This is a "motorhead" refusing to believe what he wrote. Becuase the whole article was one old, stinking big piece of

Take that, Eric wtf-your-name-is. The tragic flaw with today's media (and Fbodfather touched on it): these people don't need to know a doggon thing about what they're talking/writing about. They just need to know how to get somebody to read it. Pisses me off.

As your moderator, I order everyone to print this article out, and use it to do your business.

/bad mood.

Originally Posted by fastball

Not a chance in hell of that happening. Besides, as has been discussed, CAFE is a corporate average, not an individual vehicle goal.

This guy is moron, what else is there to say?

[OctaneZ28]

Here's a fact we can all agree on:

Eric Peters has a bad bad case of THE DUMB. lol