2013 GT500 laps the ring quicker then ZL1

[DJ-Silver 2SS]

That's very "clever" of them.....

[Dropspeed]

Let's just say the video is accurate and it is a click faster at the ring (I doubt it but). The real world for the majority of us is the good ole US of A. The GT500 has not beat a single Zl1 on a track in the US in any head to head competition. Either way, good for them and good for us.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Dropspeed

Let's just say the video is accurate and it is a click faster at the ring (I doubt it but). The real world for the majority of us is the good ole US of A. The GT500 has not beat a single Zl1 on a track in the US in any head to head competition. Either way, good for them and good for us.

Hmmm. Remember this.

[Mikamaro]

The real Stock GT500 is in the video alright but its parked in the grass at 2:15 being attended by Ford' crew for brake fade and heat soak...lol

[BigBlock69RS]

2md Repost of:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325608

Measurement method is very flawed IMHO.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by brt3

Wow; pretty funny stuff here. The idea of a manufacturer like GM "fudging" Ring times is pretty laughable. This guy goes through the GM film as though it's the Zapruder film, yet all that's AFTER he's guesstimating a lap time from film sourced from where -- online? If you don't have a clock running in the footage to verify the time, it seems that significant time errors might be introduced into a video that's 8 minutes long -- especially if it's distributed online, in a compressed format that's been copied ad infinitum...

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[blufin]

Gee, that video looks real official. lol

[Dropspeed]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Hmmm. Remember this.

The only thing that video show is that one driver is better (or driving harder, or more experienced) than another.

I can clarify for you "The GT500 has not beat a single Zl1 on a road course in the US in any head to head competition with an experienced driver behind the wheel in both cars"

Track day videos are deceiving and terrible references for how a car performs against another car as it is 100% the driver. Any experienced driver can go out in a group and run down inexperienced drivers on a road course. I have video of me passing ZL1, Z06, ZR1, Ferrari, Lotus, Porsche etc in my stock 1LE. I can not go around saying my car is faster as they were all students and I have been instructing and racing for 15+ years....I am faster, not the car.

If you watch the video you can see the Ferrari in the first half of the video is clearly faster than the GT500 but the Ferrari driver has issues in some of the corners and the GT500 driver catches him at those points. Is the GT500 faster.....no, the driver just has a better line in those corners.

I stand behind my statement.

Matt

[Normagene]

I thought that when Mortortrend track tested the ZL1 & Mustang that the Mustang was faster for the first two laps and even on the third lap. Then every lap after that the ZL1 was faster. Actually the ZL1 times where nearly identical lap after lap, it was the Mustangs brakes that made it slower and slower. Or should I I say lack of brakes since they quickly faded. But when it was all said and done, and the ZL1 was picked as the Superior car, the pro driver when asked which he preferred chose the Mustang. He said its just a beast of a machine and the power is incredible and it takes much more drivers skill than the ZL1. To each their own, it's not likely I'll ever be driving all out like those guys.

I live on a big cul-de-sac (Big Ol Circle) and I've even put the PTM in setting one, and still I was unable, got too scared, to keep the throttle to the floor and let the nannies do the driving. I know I should be able to keep the Pedal to the Metal and not let off the power, and the nannies should decrease the power, but every time I feel that power hesitation I automatically let off the power. I guess I just fear losing control and spinning out or going over the curb and causing some sort of damage to my car. But I would love to just do it once and keep the power down for a lap or two just to see how it feel to have the nannies constantly interfering.


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[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Normagene

I thought that when Mortortrend track tested the ZL1 & Mustang that the Mustang was faster for the first two laps and even on the third lap. Then every lap after that the ZL1 was faster. Actually the ZL1 times where nearly identical lap after lap, it was the Mustangs brakes that made it slower and slower. Or should I I say lack of brakes since they quickly faded. But when it was all said and done, and the ZL1 was picked as the Superior car, the pro driver when asked which he preferred chose the Mustang. He said its just a beast of a machine and the power is incredible and it takes much more drivers skill than the ZL1. To each their own, it's not likely I'll ever be driving all out like those guys.

I live on a big cul-de-sac (Big Ol Circle) and I've even put the PTM in setting one, and still I was unable, got too scared, to keep the throttle to the floor and let the nannies do the driving. I know I should be able to keep the Pedal to the Metal and not let off the power, and the nannies should decrease the power, but every time I feel that power hesitation I automatically let off the power. I guess I just fear losing control and spinning out or going over the curb and causing some sort of damage to my car. But I would love to just do it once and keep the power down for a lap or two just to see how it feel to have the nannies constantly interfering.


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Shhhhhhhhh, you are not supposed to mention this in the forum. Is there an issue with all the 500s brakes or just this particular car, I imagine it's very possible it is a design issue, and Ford states to change out the fluid prior to heavy track use. The main point is prior to the brake fade the 500 was indeed faster which most claim in this forum that this is not possible. In the above video I posted I believe both drivers knew their way around the track. The problem was the 500 was clearly faster. Maybe the owner had done the suggested fluid change which corrected the brake fade issues?

I'm not picking on the ZL1 given the choice I'd own a ZL1 automatic car, but to make blanket statements that the 500 is not in the same class as the ZL1 is ridiculous.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Tob

Nice to see this finally get released.

Welcome back, sir. Always good to have an articulate, engineering-centric person on this site, regardless of personal preferences.

1) In that regard, and considering your ability to cut through media-speak and get directly to the salient points, I'd be interested in your assessment of the Z/28. Care to share?

Also, as was mentioned on your favored site sometime back by our mutual friend (the one so concerned currently about the Z/28's non-conformity to sanctioning bodies' rules), wasn't a Blue GT 500 timed by his German-based friends running "mid-7:40s" while Big Red (the winglet-wearing car you displayed here) equipped with a full measure of the FRPP catalog timed running "into the 7:30's"?

2) So, to what standard was Sid's video game star equipped and prepared? Blue-level, or Red-line? Or is that information known, and shareable?

Once again, welcome back, and thank you for your reasoned responses.

[shaffe]

So because Ford didnt play the Al O. game and come out to boast about being faster than its primary competitor at a track on the other side of the world there is no way the GT500 could have been faster than the ZL1 = Camaro5logic

I agree with the majority here, this is not an official timed video, it is very likely there is a timing error.

someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall Ford ever publicly saying anything about the Mustang/GT/BOSS/BOSS LS/GT500 being faster than comparable Camaro variant. GM and Al O. on the other hand specifically targeted the mustang variants publicly.

The only "performance" measurable I remember Ford publicly stating is the 200+MPH claim which is still yet to be proven. Someone please correct me if I am wrong and Ford said Mustang model X is faster than Camaro model.

Also, Ford has never released ring times, make what you will of that. They either arent happy with them, or don't value it as a marketing tool as much as GM does

[gm_joe]

In my opinion, any "ring" time comparison, within say, 10 - 15 seconds, makes the cars equal. That time can be made up or lost with a driver change.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So because Ford didnt play the Al O. game and come out to boast about being faster than its primary competitor at a track on the other side of the world there is no way the GT500 could have been faster than the ZL1 = Camaro5logic

I agree with the majority here, this is not an official timed video, it is very likely there is a timing error.

someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not recall Ford ever publicly saying anything about the Mustang/GT/BOSS/BOSS LS/GT500 being faster than comparable Camaro variant. GM and Al O. on the other hand specifically targeted the mustang variants publicly.

The only "performance" measurable I remember Ford publicly stating is the 200+MPH claim which is still yet to be proven. Someone please correct me if I am wrong and Ford said Mustang model X is faster than Camaro model.

Also, Ford has never released ring times, make what you will of that. They either arent happy with them, or don't value it as a marketing tool as much as GM does

You must be happy, a 2009 focus is listed on the ring list but no dead horses!