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Tob · 10-31-2013, 05:28 PM

I'd much prefer that it was a simple matter of checking the engine I wanted, matched with the suspension/brakes. A new age LX, if you will. I don't want or need somebody's name plastered all over the car. Just a fresh coat of paint, stripped - options wise, with a gnarly engine and suspension. No nomenclature would be a nice way of saying to the dealer "I really don't need you to tack on your ridiculous ADM onto the car. This is just a boring no option car that nobody but me would ever want."

knowitman · 10-31-2013, 06:30 PM

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html

Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time.

trademaster · 10-31-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dropspeed

Let's just say the video is accurate and it is a click faster at the ring (I doubt it but). The real world for the majority of us is the good ole US of A. The GT500 has not beat a single Zl1 on a track in the US in any head to head competition. Either way, good for them and good for us.

That's not entirely true. If you define beating as being chosen by the authors, then you are correct. If you define beating as posting better lap times, the GT500 did so by 0.5s at Laguna Seca by Motor Trend and by 1.3s at Streets of Willow by Inside Line. A lot of people here seem to be confusing better with faster. I would say, without question, the ZL1 is the better track car. Is it the faster track car though? That's pretty much up in the air depending on track selection and driver. Some Castrol SRF (DOT 4 is recommended for track use in the manual) in the GT500 would make endurance comparisons much more interesting.

ZL1-V · 10-31-2013, 06:37 PM

I want it all shown as in the official GM video. Let's view the g meter, also the actual location thru track layout using GPS, and a real timer not one that is "guesstimated" after the video. I am a former SVT Cobra Mustang owner This would have been published long ago by SVT if it had been real. Too much speculation on the part of the OP that had posted it initially.

1QwikZ28 · 10-31-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by knowitman

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html

Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time.

I was looking at that overlay also, the Shelby has some sick straight away speed. Makes me wonder what it would be capable of with the ZL1/Z28 tires.

Mwalterhouse · 10-31-2013, 07:23 PM

Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.

TheReaper · 10-31-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mwalterhouse

Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.

Wrong. It's built at the Flatrock plant with the other Mustangs.

72MachOne99GT · 10-31-2013, 07:36 PM

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MJanowich · 10-31-2013, 07:44 PM

Considering the ZL1 is 3 seconds faster as per Car and Driver's Lightning Lap, I don't see how a stock GT500 would be faster on the 'Ring. Plus, the way Randy Pobst talked about the brake fade in the GT500, I don't think it would do very well on a nearly 13 mile twisty road course. I'm thinking the car wasn't stock or there was a timing error.

trademaster · 10-31-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mwalterhouse

Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.

Ugh, not this again. Have you been talking to aggieguy?!

shaffe · 10-31-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mwalterhouse

Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.

The fail is strong in this one

Truck Norris · 10-31-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

I was looking at that overlay also, the Shelby has some sick straight away speed. Makes me wonder what it would be capable of with the ZL1/Z28 tires.

I'd like to know also. The GT500 uses the same Goodyear F1 Supercar G2's as the ZL1, just an inch narrower and the Z/28 comes with Pirelli P Zero's.

trademaster · 10-31-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Truck Norris

I'd like to know also. The GT500 uses the same Goodyear F1 Supercar G2's as the ZL1, just an inch narrower and the Z/28 comes with Pirelli P Zero's.

P Zero Trofeo R to be exact. Very sticky DOT track tires.

Awesome tires.

Chados · 10-31-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gm_joe

In my opinion, any "ring" time comparison, within say, 10 - 15 seconds, makes the cars equal. That time can be made up or lost with a driver change.

This.

But I still like the ZL1 better. It did 7:41:28...with a sunroof. That's doing it like a boss. Or better than a Boss 302, at least.

10-31-2013, 06:30 PM	#114
knowitman Camaro fan since birth Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 470 View My Garage	http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rburgring.html Here is the link with all of the information. One thing that I observed if you watch the overlay videos closely you can see the ZL1 get out ahead of the GT500 in the curvy sections of the track while the GT500 gets ahead of the ZL1 in the strait sections of the track. That is exactly what I expected. The GT500 had the big advantage coming out of the long strait which they both entered at nearly the exact same time. __________________ #3642

10-31-2013, 07:44 PM	#121
MJanowich Door ding magnet Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 288 View My Garage	Considering the ZL1 is 3 seconds faster as per Car and Driver's Lightning Lap, I don't see how a stock GT500 would be faster on the 'Ring. Plus, the way Randy Pobst talked about the brake fade in the GT500, I don't think it would do very well on a nearly 13 mile twisty road course. I'm thinking the car wasn't stock or there was a timing error. __________________ "When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting."

10-31-2013, 05:28 PM	#113
Tob Drives: Blue Pig Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Afar Posts: 48	I'd much prefer that it was a simple matter of checking the engine I wanted, matched with the suspension/brakes. A new age LX, if you will. I don't want or need somebody's name plastered all over the car. Just a fresh coat of paint, stripped - options wise, with a gnarly engine and suspension. No nomenclature would be a nice way of saying to the dealer "I really don't need you to tack on your ridiculous ADM onto the car. This is just a boring no option car that nobody but me would ever want."

10-31-2013, 06:37 PM	#116
ZL1-V Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,154	I want it all shown as in the official GM video. Let's view the g meter, also the actual location thru track layout using GPS, and a real timer not one that is "guesstimated" after the video. I am a former SVT Cobra Mustang owner This would have been published long ago by SVT if it had been real. Too much speculation on the part of the OP that had posted it initially.

10-31-2013, 07:23 PM	#118
Mwalterhouse Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Bloomfield Hills, Michigan Posts: 1,088 View My Garage	Even if the information provided is accurate, the GT500 is not a production vehicle, the Z28 is.