SS Basic Upgrades?

[mutant chicken]

Alrighty then....

nice pissing match guys ... Let's keep it friendly, we're supposed to be helping each other out here !

To answer the original question... I put a K&N style air filter and Flowmaster mufflers on my truck and there was a noticible difference in performace. I had my neighbor who is a Dodge mechanic do some work on it recently and he was quite surprised at the power ( seems normal to me, but I drive it every day ).

I came on here looking for intake help, from what I have seen the GM part doesn't seem to get the same performance boost as a K&N. Am I wrong ? Or is it just the advertising ?

So the simple upgrade is intake and exhaust, nothing more. Next step might be a performance chip ( as soon as one comes out ). Things like a supercharger are really cool and give you big HP but are expensive. I think I spent about $600 to do the exhaust and intake on my truck ( I have no clue what the Camaro is going to cost yet !!! ), but it will be one of the fitst things that gets done !

[2SSOrgKrate]

I ordered the GMPP Air Box, Shorty Headers and Cat-back exhaust. The Fleet Sales Manager and the Parts Manager, at my dealership, both assured me that their installation will have no effect on my warranty. Although they can't install the Air Box until after I buy the car and drive it off the lot. Then I can make a U turn, drive it right back in and they'll do it. So I asked again... any Warranty problem? I was told not to worry and that the Warranty would remain intact.

[erasedgod]

Originally Posted by SoloSK71

They can not void the warranty. CAN NOT. All that they can do is not honor under warranty repair for that item on that day.

All that bickering was over semantics?

[Missile Man]

As we know the MM act roughly states that a company can't require only the company's parts and services be used in order to "not void the warranty".

Yes the law states that GM can't void your warranty, but you have to prove most likely in a court of law that your modification meets GM requirements. The legal litigation required to determine which side will prevail is where I stop. I plan on doing some mod's but accept the fact that the dealer may void my warranty.

[Fast Eddie]

Actually, I believe section 2304, paragraph b, section 1, and paragraph c, of the MM act puts the burden of proof on the warrantor (GM), not the consumer, to prove the failure was a result of a non-warranted, or aftermarket, part. Which is not hard in the case of a tune. Intake and exhaust could be an interesting argument.

[MTI Racing]

Basic mods for the new Camaro.

Cold air intake (A true cold air. Not a K&N replacement filter.)

Long tube Headers (ARH, KOOKs, Stainless Works)
+ some header kits come with a new center section. replacing the cats and changing to an X crossover instead of the H.

For these mods to function efficiently you will need to get the car tuned. This is true for any mod. Whether GM shorty headers, Corsa cat back, or any cold air intake on the market.

Then this brings up the argument about WARRANTY. To modify the cars drivetrain or computer anyway will effect the GM warranty in most cases. Especially now with GM having its financial problems. It can be beneficial to befriend someone at your local dealers service dept. who could help you out if bad luck comes your way. Most tuner shops will also carry a warranty on their work and tuning, along with the warranty on the products being installed. This may help bring peace of mind to those hesitant on changing a new car with a few hundred miles on it.

These basic mods will increase your hp, sound, and love for driving your Camaro.

For those of you with manuals a new shifter from MTI Racing is just what this car and driver needs. So solid and smooth. Brings the joy in shifting back. Even when shifting into reverse.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts everyone. No matter what you do to your new Camaro. Remember to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Missile Man]

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

Actually, I believe section 2304, paragraph b, section 1, and paragraph c, of the MM act puts the burden of proof on the warrantor (GM), not the consumer, to prove the failure was a result of a non-warranted, or aftermarket, part. Which is not hard in the case of a tune. Intake and exhaust could be an interesting argument.

I stand corrected

It sounds like many of the dealers will push back on warranty coverage if the mod is not through GM which goes back to the MM act of "they can't do that". If the dealer and I disagree on warranty coverage I assume it will wind the courts regardless of burden of proof to resolve the issue.

I doubt I would made a good "pathfinder" for the cause.

[Nexus6]

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[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Moderator4SS

Wow...I maybe new to this forum, but you are a very confused individual. Quoting from Short-Throw, "In the warranty booklet there are 4 separate notations that modifying the vehicle from the original production will void the warranty and repairs will not be covered...The bottom line is when a calibration is changed the car is altered and GM has stated it does not warrant repairs once the vehicle has been altered. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to grasp."

when a calibration is changed. meaning if you tune the car for performance, your warranty will be blocked. we have discussed this numerous times.

but a new intake and exhaust wont void/block/nullify your warranty on the powertrain. only on the exhaust/intake portion of the warranty.

Originally Posted by Moderator4SS

GM Performance Parts customer service number is 1.800.450.4150. GM's website states, "The warranty does not cover damage caused by improper installation, negligence, or damage caused by the installation of parts that are not approved by GM." Also, the following website has some additional information:

http://www.gmaccessorieszone.com/Chevrolet/2010/Camaro/

lets see here...

"The warranty does not cover damage caused by improper installation, negligence, or damage caused by the installation of parts that arenot approved by GM"

that does not say that the warranty is void/blocked/nullified because you installed a non-gm part. it says that if the part was installed incorrectly, or directly caused the damage, then the warranty will be blocked/void/nullified.

intake and exhaust will NOT void/block/nullify your full powertrain warranty.

the exhaust portion will be blocked as why should GM warranty parts that arent theirs? but the misconception that your entire warranty will be blocked because you installed an aftermarket component is ludicrous.






to the OP. basic upgrades for any vehicle, intake and exhaust.

[nards444]

everybody knows that modifying the vehicle will void or block warrantied. You can not tune a car add headers and then expect GM to pay to fix your car. But from what I have been told the dealer has to provea that, that part was culprit. but this guy either seems like a law student or a tort lawyer

[Smokintires]

How much more horsepower would you get from installing these? http://www.haddadmotorsports.com/cat...ack-p-275.html
Is there a horsepower difference between the 39 pound the 50 pound and the 65 pound ones? Is this easy to install? Should I wait until there are other company's making them?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by nards444

everybody knows that modifying the vehicle will void or block warrantied. You can not tune a car add headers and then expect GM to pay to fix your car. But from what I have been told the dealer has to provea that, that part was culprit. but this guy either seems like a law student or a tort lawyer

modifying certain parts can block the entire warranty, yes. if you install an aftermarket set of mufflers on the car, and the car spins a bearing, do you really think that they would void your warranty because you modified the car.

headers will only affect the exhaust part of your warranty unless you ran open headers and screwed up the o2 sensors and ran it long enough to jack up the motor, (which is really hard to do as most EFI motors are tuned to go to a fail-safe rich condition when the o2s fail)


as for the tune, I already said that a tune will void the warranty.

but the only way they can deny the engine/powertrain warranty is if they can prove that the part that you installed caused the failure.

Originally Posted by Smokintires

How much more horsepower would you get from installing these? http://www.haddadmotorsports.com/cat...ack-p-275.html
Is there a horsepower difference between the 39 pound the 50 pound and the 65 pound ones? Is this easy to install? Should I wait until there are other company's making them?

by themselves, nothing. you would need to tune for larger injectors, but upgrading them alone wont net you a gain. now if you were running a power adder that maxed out the stock injectors, then those would be worth the upgrade, but running stock and just bolt-ons, the injectors on this car are only performing at ~65% (meaning they can still provide plenty more fuel if needed)

[Smokintires]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

modifying certain parts can block the entire warranty, yes. if you install an aftermarket set of mufflers on the car, and the car spins a bearing, do you really think that they would void your warranty because you modified the car.

headers will only affect the exhaust part of your warranty unless you ran open headers and screwed up the o2 sensors and ran it long enough to jack up the motor, (which is really hard to do as most EFI motors are tuned to go to a fail-safe rich condition when the o2s fail)


as for the tune, I already said that a tune will void the warranty.

but the only way they can deny the engine/powertrain warranty is if they can prove that the part that you installed caused the failure.



by themselves, nothing. you would need to tune for larger injectors, but upgrading them alone wont net you a gain. now if you were running a power adder that maxed out the stock injectors, then those would be worth the upgrade, but running stock and just bolt-ons, the injectors on this car are only performing at ~65% (meaning they can still provide plenty more fuel if needed)

Ok thanks. Wow GM designed great fuel injectors.

[nards444]

i was talking about Solo. But i agree with you on everything, but im not the one to risk it right now. Because I have said before they have to prove it, but you would have to prove it didnt as well, so for the average joe whos going to win??