SS Basic Upgrades?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Smokintires

Ok thanks. Wow GM designed great fuel injectors.

this whole motor is pretty damn good overall. the fuel pump in the tank might need to be upgraded once you hit around 600 hp tho.

Originally Posted by nards444

i was talking about Solo. But i agree with you on everything, but im not the one to risk it right now. Because I have said before they have to prove it, but you would have to prove it didnt as well, so for the average joe whos going to win??

that all depends on the dealer, the owner of the car, what needs fixed on the car, what caused the problem with the car, etc.

sometimes AJ (average joe) will win, sometimes the dealer.

[Mod4SS]

Originally Posted by MTI Racing

Basic mods for the new Camaro. Cold air intake (A true cold air. Not a K&N replacement filter.) Long tube Headers (ARH, KOOKs, Stainless Works) + some header kits come with a new center section. replacing the cats and changing to an X crossover instead of the H. For these mods to function efficiently you will need to get the car tuned...

What does MTI charge for the mods listed in your quote above?

[Mod4SS]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

"The warranty does not cover damage caused by improper installation, negligence, or damage caused by the installation of parts that aren't approved by GM"

that does not say that the warranty is void/blocked/nullified because you installed a non-gm part. it says that if the part was installed incorrectly, or directly caused the damage, then the warranty will be blocked/void/nullified.

Maybe we're interpreting this differently, but if the warranty does not cover parts that aren't approved by GM, why would GM approve a Non-GM part? Also, quoting from GM Service Bulletin, "Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty."

[SoloSK71]

Originally Posted by nards444

i was talking about Solo. But i agree with you on everything, but im not the one to risk it right now. Because I have said before they have to prove it, but you would have to prove it didnt as well, so for the average joe whos going to win??

Probably the single best thing you can do is be up front with your dealer before you buy the car about what you plan to do with it, how the dealer wants to deal with it and how disputes will be resolved.

From my experience with modified cars, when you get in trouble is by following some of the advice we have seen given on here and get found out.

Say you change your PCM back after blowing up your diff on a hard launch and try and get the dealer to fix it and the tech sees a) an extremely low mileage count and b) burned rubber in the wheel wells and maybe even c) bent metal/plastic holding the PCM in place. Then be telling the sales guy in the front a story of your race day the last week when the service writer comes out to talk to you. Then have the service manager get involved and you blow your top and the next thing you know you have two irate people, one yelling that he is going to "void" your warranty and you yelling what crooks the dealers are.

Compare that to having told them in advance that you are going to have the engine tuned and then coming into the shop because your car is stalling every time you put it in gear. The service manager says "all I can do is reflash to stock and see what happens" and then the issue persists. Tech looks at the engine and sees that the EGR is failing and since this is an exhaust issue covers it under warranty.

Yes, they are different situations. You walk into the dealer in situation number two and have blown up the diff on launch and he is going to say "yeah, that really sucks" and you both know it is not going to be covered under warranty. However, he may give you a deal on parts, labour or even possibly both.

My Toyota dealer took almost a year to learn not to flinch and yell when I came in for warranty work unrelated to the mods I have, and that I was not going to argue with him about repairs that would not be covered under warranty.

I guess the dealers approach is going to reflect yours. Show him no respect, either for his business or brains and he will return the favour.

- SK

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Moderator4SS

Maybe we're interpreting this differently, but if the warranty does not cover parts that aren't approved by GM, why woud GM approve a Non-GM part? Also, quoting from GM Service Bulletin, "Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty."

thats not what I was saying. I was saying that, say, if you swap the intake to a CAI and the motor spins a bearing, GM isnt going to block your warranty because you have a different intake on the car.


now, say you buy a set of GMPP headers, and take it to your own preference shop. and as it just so happens, the shop you have install it screws up and doesnt install the gaskets correctly, which then blow out and get stuck in the exhaust stream, say they get caught on the o2 sensor and weld themselves to it, or clog up the cat.

should GM cover that in their warranty?

"The warranty does not cover damage caused by improper installation, negligence, or damage caused by the installation of parts that are not approved by GM"

the part is approved by GM, but it was installed improperly. so it wont be covered.


ask TAG UR IT. he went with long tube headers on his car. is his powertrain warranty voided? no, just his exhaust warranty.

my point about the warranty is that you can modify certain aspects of the car without voiding/blocking the entire warranty.

as for the extra part about repairs being not covered due to a non-GM calibration.... we've beaten that horse. if you get an aftermarket tune, it will void your warranty.

[Mod4SS]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

thats not what I was saying. I was saying that, say, if you swap the intake to a CAI and the motor spins a bearing, GM isnt going to block your warranty because you have a different intake on the car. Now, say you buy a set of GMPP headers, and take it to your own preference shop and as it just so happens, the shop you have install it screws up and doesnt install the gaskets correctly, which then blow out and get stuck in the exhaust stream, say they get caught on the o2 sensor and weld themselves to it, or clog up the cat. should GM cover that in their warranty? the part is approved by GM, but it was installed improperly. so it wont be covered.

Agreed...now we're on the same page.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Moderator4SS

Agreed...now we're on the same page.

it makes sense when its running thru my head. some times it doesnt come out clearly when I post it. not the first time its happened, wont be the last.

[03ss]

I have always been pleased with the gains from doing a nice set of LT's. Kooks are a top notch choice if I might add but then again I have always love adding a little PSI.

[stet]

Originally Posted by 2SSOrgKrate

I ordered the GMPP Air Box, Shorty Headers and Cat-back exhaust. The Fleet Sales Manager and the Parts Manager, at my dealership, both assured me that their installation will have no effect on my warranty. Although they can't install the Air Box until after I buy the car and drive it off the lot. Then I can make a U turn, drive it right back in and they'll do it. So I asked again... any Warranty problem? I was told not to worry and that the Warranty would remain intact.

How much are they going to charge you for the installation?

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by MTI Racing

Basic mods for the new Camaro.

Cold air intake (A true cold air. Not a K&N replacement filter.)

Long tube Headers (ARH, KOOKs, Stainless Works)
+ some header kits come with a new center section. replacing the cats and changing to an X crossover instead of the H.

For these mods to function efficiently you will need to get the car tuned. This is true for any mod. Whether GM shorty headers, Corsa cat back, or any cold air intake on the market.

Then this brings up the argument about WARRANTY. To modify the cars drivetrain or computer anyway will effect the GM warranty in most cases. Especially now with GM having its financial problems. It can be beneficial to befriend someone at your local dealers service dept. who could help you out if bad luck comes your way. Most tuner shops will also carry a warranty on their work and tuning, along with the warranty on the products being installed. This may help bring peace of mind to those hesitant on changing a new car with a few hundred miles on it.

These basic mods will increase your hp, sound, and love for driving your Camaro.

For those of you with manuals a new shifter from MTI Racing is just what this car and driver needs. So solid and smooth. Brings the joy in shifting back. Even when shifting into reverse.

Thanks for listening to my thoughts everyone. No matter what you do to your new Camaro. Remember to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

This man speaks the truth!

Question. I have the entire Stainless exhaust setup on my car. I'm going to get the Vararam or New Era intake put on as well. Once that is done, I won't mess with anything else. However, if it really is necessary to get a tune, what can I expect from a tuner on warrantied work? I mean, are they going to tune my car and then warranty the powertrain on their work? I don't understand how they would warranty the "tune." I do work with some GREAT guys at my shop and I'm 100% straight up with them. I told them I would not TOUCH the computer as I was fully aware that adding a tune would void the warranty. If you could shed any light on this, I would GREATLY appreciate it.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

when a calibration is changed. meaning if you tune the car for performance, your warranty will be blocked. we have discussed this numerous times.

but a new intake and exhaust wont void/block/nullify your warranty on the powertrain. only on the exhaust/intake portion of the warranty.
lets see here...

"The warranty does not cover damage caused by improper installation, negligence, or damage caused by the installation of parts that arenot approved by GM"

that does not say that the warranty is void/blocked/nullified because you installed a non-gm part. it says that if the part was installed incorrectly, or directly caused the damage, then the warranty will be blocked/void/nullified.

intake and exhaust will NOT void/block/nullify your full powertrain warranty.

the exhaust portion will be blocked as why should GM warranty parts that arent theirs? but the misconception that your entire warranty will be blocked because you installed an aftermarket component is ludicrous.






to the OP. basic upgrades for any vehicle, intake and exhaust.

once again. Spike knows his stuff too.

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

thats not what I was saying. I was saying that, say, if you swap the intake to a CAI and the motor spins a bearing, GM isnt going to block your warranty because you have a different intake on the car.


now, say you buy a set of GMPP headers, and take it to your own preference shop. and as it just so happens, the shop you have install it screws up and doesnt install the gaskets correctly, which then blow out and get stuck in the exhaust stream, say they get caught on the o2 sensor and weld themselves to it, or clog up the cat.

should GM cover that in their warranty?



the part is approved by GM, but it was installed improperly. so it wont be covered.


ask TAG UR IT. he went with long tube headers on his car. is his powertrain warranty voided? no, just his exhaust warranty.

my point about the warranty is that you can modify certain aspects of the car without voiding/blocking the entire warranty.

as for the extra part about repairs being not covered due to a non-GM calibration.... we've beaten that horse. if you get an aftermarket tune, it will void your warranty.

Correct. No voided warranty. My entire exhaust warranty is gone. I mean...hellooooooo...I don't have any GM exhaust on my car. Why in the world would they warranty a stainless exhaust? They wouldn't. So, LT's are in.

Spike...you don't foresee issues by just adding LT's and full exhaust like I did, do you?...no tune?

[ZYA_LTR]

you can and could get a tun e for your car, that if done properly will not void your warranty, due to the fact that it is undetectable by the GM technician checking your car with the scan tool. There is a company that does it with success and actually advertises here on the forum i beleive. I have delat with Kurt at Vector on several occasions, and he is a great guy, and will be doing some work on my Camaro when i get it.

Vector Motorsports:

http://www.vectormotorsports.com/ind...mart&Itemid=28

read above page.

[jschuler]

I know that this thread is primarily about SS upgrades, but was wondering if I could get some advice on the 2LT and upgrades I could do to maximize the ponies without compromising gas mileage. Can I install cold air intake and exhaust headers on a V6 to get an extra 50-100 hp? I'm looking for something fairly affordable, just to add a little bit of power, but I can't be spending thousands more than what I already am. Does anybody know specific brands and prices of these parts that would be good for the 2LT, ones that wouldn't void the warranty? I'm very new at this, so I'm not sure how much these things cost.....I'd appreciate the extra knowledge!

[Anthony@ARH]

To get back to the original question American Racing Headers are seeing great power gains with our new system. Please check out our website www.americanracingheaders.com or give me a call at 631.608.1986. There is also a dyno video posted up where Nicky's Camaro is running our setup on stage 3 motor making impressive power through our catted system.

[Steve@Vectormotorsports]

Originally Posted by ZYA_LTR

you can and could get a tun e for your car, that if done properly will not void your warranty, due to the fact that it is undetectable by the GM technician checking your car with the scan tool. There is a company that does it with success and actually advertises here on the forum i beleive. I have delat with Kurt at Vector on several occasions, and he is a great guy, and will be doing some work on my Camaro when i get it.

Vector Motorsports:

http://www.vectormotorsports.com/ind...mart&Itemid=28

read above page.

Thanks for your post!