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[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by RickyBobby86

No sir, not always. It is in the trans tune
BTW what does your CAMMED car run? Time slips?

Ok, well then when all things are equal including the tune. Seen it with plenty of guys who have either changed to a triple disk or commanded lockup. In all cases they GAINED MPH trap speed. 96% efficiency un locked<100% efficiency locked.
My slow ass only runs low 12's with a 1.7 60' and 4000 DA.

[RickyBobby86]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Ok, well then when all things are equal including the tune. Seen it with plenty of guys who have either changed to a triple disk or commanded lockup. In all cases they GAINED MPH trap speed. 96% efficiency un locked<100% efficiency locked.
My slow ass only runs low 12's with a 1.7 60' and 4000 DA.

My car was viceversa, my trans am actually loss MPH when it locked my triple disk. The yank out MPH it by 1.3mph. Buuuuut in Houston the underground secne (highway) runs at a certain speed/gear it pulls hella harder

[Merc]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Ok, well then when all things are equal including the tune. Seen it with plenty of guys who have either changed to a triple disk or commanded lockup. In all cases they GAINED MPH trap speed. 96% efficiency un locked<100% efficiency locked.
My slow ass only runs low 12's with a 1.7 60' and 4000 DA.

DA is a huge issue! None of these fast Bolt ON car's will run those numbers at +4000' DA.

[DieselMD @ Futral]

Locking a converter is a band aid for an inefficient converter. I promise you will be faster unlocked with the correct converter. How many all out race cars you see with a triple disc?

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by 94guy

what's the weight diff between TRW and camarojt?

I'm about 185, I've never seen Terry?

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by RickyBobby86

My car was viceversa, my trans am actually loss MPH when it locked my triple disk. The yank out MPH it by 1.3mph. Buuuuut in Houston the underground secne (highway) runs at a certain speed/gear it pulls hella harder

The one exception I can think of is if with a single disk your right at the top of a gear but with a triple disk it pulled RPM back down out of the power band before the traps. Otherwise it should MPH faster. Its a true 1.1 ratio with no converter slip and 100% efficiency just like a manual trans. I'm not saying it will help ET, I'm saying it will almost always trap higher and ALWAYS dyno higher.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Ok, well then when all things are equal including the tune. Seen it with plenty of guys who have either changed to a triple disk or commanded lockup. In all cases they GAINED MPH trap speed. 96% efficiency un locked<100% efficiency locked.
My slow ass only runs low 12's with a 1.7 60' and 4000 DA.

Your example is correct, your theory is slightly incorrect. If you take a specific converter, lets say a 3600 Circle D and you run it unlocked, then you run it again locked, yes you will pull a better mph locked.

BUT every locked converter in general will not always outperform a very efficient unlocked converter. It's all in how its tuned and much slip you have! Terry's converter has very little slip, therefore it is making good mph all the way down the track. Think of it like he's damn near locked in all 4 gears.
Where as, I'm slipping in 2.5 gears and dead locked in 1.5 gears.

[DieselMD @ Futral]

And a little slip is good. Torque multiplication is what helps.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by DieselMD

Locking a converter is a band aid for an inefficient converter. I promise you will be faster unlocked with the correct converter. How many all out race cars you see with a triple disc?

Faster as in ET maybe/possibly. As in trap speed no. This is a good read. It is illegal for most race classes to run a lock up. Also explains why almost always you will trap higher locked up.
http://www.dragzine.com/tech-stories...p-drag-racing/

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

Your example is correct, your theory is slightly incorrect. If you take a specific converter, lets say a 3600 Circle D and you run it unlocked, then you run it again locked, yes you will pull a better mph locked.

BUT every locked converter in general will not always outperform a very efficient unlocked converter. It's all in how its tuned and much slip you have! Terry's converter has very little slip, therefore it is making good mph all the way down the track. Think of it like he's damn near locked in all 4 gears.
Where as, I'm slipping in 2.5 gears and dead locked in 1.5 gears.

Look, I'm not trying to compare you guys and if I am I apologize. I'm also not stating it will for sure out perform a single disk in terms of ET. I am saying that it should MPH better when all other variables are equal. I'm just saying TRW's trap speed is super impressive for the type of converter he is using. Plus unless you know exactly how efficient your converter is unlocked vs his there is no way to know if his makes up for the loss of efficiency of yours. I have seen guys switch from a Yank to a triple disk and they almost always gained about 2mph with the same or worse DA. Since your on the subject of comparing your converters why don't you tell us honestly how much ET and MPH you gained from your converter? I'm willing to go out on a limb here and bet that it was more than .17 ET and 1.4mph.

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Look, I'm not trying to compare you guys and if I am I apologize. I'm also not stating it will for sure out perform a single disk in terms of ET. I am saying that it should MPH better when all other variables are equal. I'm just saying TRW's trap speed is super impressive for the type of converter he is using. Plus unless you know exactly how efficient your converter is unlocked vs his there is no way to know if his makes up for the loss of efficiency of yours. I have seen guys switch from a Yank to a triple disk and they almost always gained about 2mph with the same or worse DA.

No reason to apologize. I'm just trying to help you understand that just Bc a person has an unlocked converter and runs X mph, then IF he switched to a different locked converter to test the theory, that he would automatically run even more mph than he did with his unlocked single disc.

That is not the case in every example. Could a guy have a shitty Yank, and then get a good triple disc and pick up mph? Yes.

But yes I do know how efficient his converter is vs mine.

If your last sentence were correct, he would be running 120 with my converter.
I guess he bought the wrong one?

[SlowTurtle]

Single disc is going to be faster then multi-disc if neither locks up. Lot less rotating weight/supporting internals inside the TC.

[RickyBobby86]

Originally Posted by SlowTurtle

Single disc is going to be faster then multi-disc if neither locks up. Lot less rotating weight/supporting internals inside the TC.

What if both are locked?

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

No reason to apologize. I'm just trying to help you understand that just Bc a person has an unlocked converter and runs X mph, then IF he switched to a different locked converter to test the theory, that he would automatically run even more mph than he did with his unlocked single disc.

That is not the case in every example. Could a guy have a shitty Yank, and then get a good triple disc and pick up mph? Yes.

But yes I do know how efficient his converter is vs mine.

If your last sentence were correct, he would be running 120 with my converter.
I guess he bought the wrong one?

Do I think he could run faster with a different converter? ABSOFREAKINLUTELY. That's why his times are so damn impressive with the current converter. That's what I have been saying. I have a Yank and trust me its not the best converter. I will trade you my Yank for your triple disk in a heart beat if you want. And again do you know how much ET and trap speed you gained from your converter?