LS3 conversions...are they worth it?

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by grocerygetter

So we resurrecting the L99 vs LS3 shoot out for Fest5 like PQ did years ago? Lol

Originally Posted by JEFF75645

Bingo. Get everyone in the same DA and conditions and see what happens.

This would be awesome if we could put together a Camaro5 bracket ladder just like the pros do. All catagories on the Fast List represented and all cars matched up in the same DA!! We could use the fast list times to bracket the races or qualifying times...then race.

It would also give a better driver a chance to outrun a faster car on the tree!

[Rhino79]

Im game. Where do I need to be and when? We doing this for stock displacement internal mod list correct? Well those types of cars?

If you have a 5th gen, stock displacement, naturally aspirated Ill run you.
If you wanna dance with a power adder, Ill do that too....lol, although my converter/gear combo is not optimal for power adder setup.

My 10.75 pass was in positive da btw!

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by Rhino79

Im game. Where do I need to be and when? We doing this for stock displacement internal mod list correct? Well those types of cars?

If you have a 5th gen, stock displacement, naturally aspirated Ill run you.
If you wanna dance with a power adder, Ill do that too....lol, although my converter/gear combo is not optimal for power adder setup.

My 10.75 pass was in positive da btw!

Basically I was proposing that there be a braket for each catagory. So Rhino you would race in the Gen5 Camaro with internal modification but no power adders class. Then if you also wanted to run in the Power Adders class, you pay another entry fee and run both classes.
There can be a Bone Stock class, a Bolt Ons w/ Stock Internals, a bolt on without stock internals, a stock displacement power adders, and then a non stock displacement power adders....and so forth.

[Rhino79]

I see what your saying. Where and when are you guys wanting to do this?

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

Basically I was proposing that there be a braket for each catagory. So Rhino you would race in the Gen5 Camaro with internal modification but no power adders class. Then if you also wanted to run in the Power Adders class, you pay another entry fee and run both classes.
There can be a Bone Stock class, a Bolt Ons w/ Stock Internals, a bolt on without stock internals, a stock displacement power adders, and then a non stock displacement power adders....and so forth.

Sounds fun but it'll never happen. There already is a few classes and if they break it up anymore there won't be enough cars in some of the categories.

You guys can run each other in the test and tune sessions until you're worn out.

[Camarojt]

The only thing it would change is the time it would take to group or pair up the runs. The entry fees are the same whether is 8 classes or 3. It would just mean there would be more announcements being made. All Bone stock cars in Lanes 1-2, Bolt Ons Only 3-4 internal mods 5-6, power adders 7-8. If 50 cars shiw up to race, who cares if there is only 4-6 cars in 1 certain class. There don't have to be a prize? Just the bragging rights. It just seems doable to me.

But if not, then yes the last resort would be to do it Street Outlaw style. Just call someone out. Lol.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by Camarojt

The only thing it would change is the time it would take to group or pair up the runs. The entry fees are the same whether is 8 classes or 3. It would just mean there would be more announcements being made. All Bone stock cars in Lanes 1-2, Bolt Ons Only 3-4 internal mods 5-6, power adders 7-8. If 50 cars shiw up to race, who cares if there is only 4-6 cars in 1 certain class. There don't have to be a prize? Just the bragging rights. It just seems doable to me.

But if not, then yes the last resort would be to do it Street Outlaw style. Just call someone out. Lol.

If you have 8 classes vs 3 there will not be enough money to cover all the payouts. That's why there won't be classes with 6 cars.

For bragging rights they'll just tell you to line them up but as for the actual classes it won't work even though it would make things interesting.

Not to mention keeping track of everything will be a pain. It's a pain with 3 classes. Mlee will have a stroke!! Think of poor mike!

[Lethal Racing]

Started reading this thread earlier. Damn I didn't think we were taking so much heat.

We have a "Fluffy" cam according to an opinionated member.
We are only on one forum, but we do great work.
Our Night Fury Cam Doesn't run
We don't have any records.
I can't tune VVT.


Geez guys.....really. Is this what's it's coming to. I'm not sure If I should even answer anything in this thread.

Onto the ops original question. Are LS3 conversions worth it? The answer to that is up to you and what exactly you are looking for out of the car. Every performance modification made to the car should go towards the end goal.

LS3 conversions have worked out well for us and a lot of other shops all over the country. VVT Cams are working out pretty well too as more and more knowledge is gained about them. That doesn't mean that one shop is better than the other at tuning them. No one ever actually knows what a tuner actually knows. The best tuners in the country are not always on forums. Same goes for those that are on forums. I know we have a lot of satisfied customers and at the end of the day that is what I am most concerned about.

I do see a VVT cam on top of the Fast List on one forum, but that doesn't mean there's not a faster car out there. It's does mean though that the VVT cams can run pretty damn good. It would be crazy to deny that.

About the NF Cam, it has proven it can make power. It runs good in our street cars in full weight form. As for dyno numbers of others cars not at our shop. I can say we have had plenty of dyno numbers back up this cam. The cam makes 470-485rwhp depending on combination of headers and Cold air. On any that have dynoed lower then it can usually be pointed to the dyno operators knowledge of tuning. I wrote a nice long post all about on this forum.

After reading the thread I value everyone's opinions and I believe you are entitled to them.

I can say this...As a company our number one priority is customer satisfaction. I believe we have excellent products and choices for anyone that chooses to do business with us. We have named camshafts and we have custom specs camshafts and can put together Any combination You May be looking for.
We also have no ill will towards any other competitor out there. If more shops would network together then everyone would gain from it, especially the consumers!!!

Shawn

[rberns]

Originally Posted by vroomapunk

Lethal is actually great at tuning VVT, Shawn knows his shit, hes had an epic amount of training and def a lot of experience. Just like Lethal and Ted arent the only people selling regular cams, Rhino isnt the only one capable of tuning/selling VVT, it just seems that way on C5

Originally Posted by Lethal Racing

Started reading this thread earlier. Damn I didn't were taking so much heat.

We have a "Fluffy" cam according to an opinionated member.
We are only on one forum, but we do great work.
Our Night Fury Cam Doesn't run
We don't have any records.
I can't tune VVT.



Shawn

Not sure if this is directed at me, but I just want to clear up any confusion. I never said nor meant Lethal can't tune VVT. It just doesn't seem that many vendors talk about VVT on C5 other than Rhino. And if the majority of the vendors talk about LS3 cams, then thats the route I want to go. I've never done business with Lethal...yet (getting ready for the Night Fury Cam) but they seem to have a great company with a promising future. They have answered many of my questions and I am looking forward to buying my cam from them.

After reading a couple of pages I am thinking this maybe directed someone else.

[SSlacker]

Good post Shawn.
Lethal Racing is the bizniz...
My car is a beast.
Thanks

[LS3 SS]

Originally Posted by rberns

Not sure if this is directed at me, but I just want to clear up any confusion. I never said nor meant Lethal can't tune VVT. It just doesn't seem that many vendors talk about VVT on C5 other than Rhino. And if the majority of the vendors talk about LS3 cams, then thats the route I want to go. I've never done business with Lethal...yet (getting ready for the Night Fury Cam) but they seem to have a great company with a promising future. They have answered many of my questions and I am looking forward to buying my cam from them.

After reading a couple of pages I am thinking this maybe directed someone else.

It's definitely directed at the troll that has been lurking under the Camaro5 bridge the past few days.

[Cb34suns]

I would love to install a night fury cam...but unable to find anyone here on this tiny rock in the pacific that can. Only way is to actually ship my car to California and they have the car towed to Lethal Racing...now that would cost me $6000 round trip....junk...

Originally Posted by Lethal Racing

Started reading this thread earlier. Damn I didn't were taking so much heat.

We have a "Fluffy" cam according to an opinionated member.
We are only on one forum, but we do great work.
Our Night Fury Cam Doesn't run
We don't have any records.
I can't tune VVT.


Geez guys.....really. Is this what's it's coming to. I'm not sure If I should even answer anything in this thread.

Onto the ops original question. Are LS3 conversions worth it? The answer to that is up to you and what exactly you are looking for out of the car. Every performance modification made to the car should go towards the end goal.

LS3 conversions have worked out well for us and a lot of other shops all over the country. VVT Cams are working out pretty well too as more and more knowledge is gained about them. That doesn't mean that one shop is better than the other at tuning them. No one ever actually knows what a tuner actually knows. The best tuners in the country are not always on forums. Same goes for those that are on forums. I know we have a lot of satisfied customers and at the end of the day that is what I am most concerned about.

I do see a VVT cam on top of the Fast List on one forum, but that doesn't mean there's not a faster car out there. It's does mean though that the VVT cams can run pretty damn good. It would be crazy to deny that.

About the NF Cam, it has proven it can make power. It runs good in our street cars in full weight form. As for dyno numbers of others cars not at our shop. I can say we have had plenty of dyno numbers back up this cam. The cam makes 470-485rwhp depending on combination of headers and Cold air. On any that have dynoed lower then it can usually be pointed to the dyno operators knowledge of tuning. I wrote a nice long post all about on this forum.

After reading the thread I value everyone's opinions and I believe you are entitled to them.

I can say this...As a company our number one priority is customer satisfaction. I believe we have excellent products and choices for anyone that chooses to do business with us. We have named camshafts and we have custom specs camshafts and can put together Any combination You May be looking for.
We also have no ill will towards any other competitor out there. If more shops would network together then everyone would gain from it, especially the consumers!!!

Shawn

[Camarojt]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

If you have 8 classes vs 3 there will not be enough money to cover all the payouts. That's why there won't be classes with 6 cars.

For bragging rights they'll just tell you to line them up but as for the actual classes it won't work even though it would make things interesting.

Not to mention keeping track of everything will be a pain. It's a pain with 3 classes. Mlee will have a stroke!! Think of poor mike!

I would be happy with no payouts, but I see your point on that part. Somewhere, somehow, the fast list classes need a race set up just like the classes are.

As far as Mikey, like the old Life Cereal commercial said, "He won't do it....He hates everything." "HEY MIKEY...HE LIKES IT!!"

[RichP]

What is the ~cost to have a VVT cam installed in a L99(parts + labor) vs going with the LS3 conversion?

I'd be interested in doing a VVT1 or 2 to hold me over until I can do an AGP or ECS kit.