Camaro Z/28 Engineers Get a Grip on Wheel Slip [Video Added]

[SPCBA]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

It will happen if someone actually 1. Gets their 991 GT3 out of quarantine before September 2. Shows up at Reno-Fernley or Thunderhill the same time I'm there! I'm not so fast at Laguna Seca, but I'd give it the ole' college try.

Come further south! Have you been to parumph?
Excited for when this car can be more than bench or internet raced.

To people comparing theoretical non official lap times...funny. These are the folks its sad to actually drive against.

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

Come further south! Have you been to parumph?
Excited for when this car can be more than bench or internet raced.

To people comparing theoretical non official lap times...funny. These are the folks its sad to actually drive against.

Spring Mountain I presume you mean? LOVE it! Drove there at several events with PCA San Diego and Speed Ventures. Haven't been there since they opened the new section though. I should be there in mid/late May for a few days, really looking forward to it, such a great facility, wish it wasn't a freakin' 7 hour drive for me

[SPCBA]

Ya it is pretty far for me as well. I swore i wouldn't go again unless car is on trailer.

[Squillo]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The problem is and always has been; that these as I call them "hit-n-runners" make these hollow assumptions and place them here as fact and never come back after they've been proven wrong.

I know the Z/28 is an awesome piece of engineering. I never said it wasn't.

but where exactly did anyone prove that the tires don't help? Just curious...

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Squillo

I know the Z/28 is an awesome piece of engineering. I never said it wasn't.

but where exactly did anyone prove that the tires don't help? Just curious...

Your position continues to devolve if one starts with your first comment.

[Squillo]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

Your position continues to devolve if one starts with your first comment.

Your position does as well if all you can say is "No it won't."

Just show me the proof, I'll say "Wow Mike, you're right."

Until someone puts the 2 cars on the same track, on the same day, with the same tires no one knows shit.

*EDIT* I'll even give you that the Z/28 will kick the snot out of the ZL1 on a short twisty track. My original supposition was on the Nurburgring. My opinion is that on a longer track where the ZL1 can stretch its legs on the longer straights, that it would make the scales tip in favor of the ZL1.

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Squillo

Your position does as well if all you can say is "No it won't."

Just show me the proof, I'll say "Wow Mike, you're right."

Until someone puts the 2 cars on the same track, on the same day, with the same tires no one knows shit.

As my Mom use to say, let's peel one potato at a time. Previously from Post #54:

Originally Posted by Squillo

Those tires are ridiculously sticky and would greatly improve the ZL1 track time. By at least 3.87 seconds on the ring.

I'll leave you to your fantasy world now.

Goodbye.

Originally Posted by mikebrinda

Could you please explain to all readers here your particular brand of physics, not to mention driving skill set, that imputes a 3.87 second gain to a tire change, but refuses to simultaneously deduct time for driving in the rain at triple-digits speeds on the very same tires and track? I'd like to learn how that works so as I might also take advantage of it.

Can you get beyond the above, or not?

[Squillo]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

As my Mom use to say, let's peel one potato at a time. Previously from Post #54:

Originally Posted by Squillo

Those tires are ridiculously sticky and would greatly improve the ZL1 track time. By at least 3.87 seconds on the ring.

I'll leave you to your fantasy world now.

Goodbye.

Originally Posted by mikebrinda

Could you please explain to all readers here your particular brand of physics, not to mention driving skill set, that imputes a 3.87 second gain to a tire change, but refuses to simultaneously deduct time for driving in the rain at triple-digits speeds on the very same tires and track? I'd like to learn how that works so as I might also take advantage of it.

Can you get beyond the above, or not?

1. You act like it was raining for the entire lap. It wasn't.

2. Even though it was raining for part of the last straightaway, and there may have been some water on the road in the last few turns, that was still the best time Chevy got on the track. (doesn't really mean mean much for the argument in either direction).

3. Those tires help cornering speed on any car.

[Mikebrinda]

Originally Posted by Squillo

1. You act like it was raining for the entire lap. It wasn't.

2. Even though it was raining for part of the last straightaway, and there may have been some water on the road in the last few turns, that was still the best time Chevy got on the track. (doesn't really mean mean much for the argument in either direction).

3. Those tires help cornering speed on any car.

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."

Next customer, please.

[Squillo]

Originally Posted by Mikebrinda

"One of the challenges of testing at the 'Ring is that the track is so long that conditions can change radically in a single lap," said Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer. "Adam Dean, the development driver for Z/28, did a heroic job driving in deteriorating conditions. Based on telemetry data from our test sessions, we know the Z/28 can be as much as six seconds faster on a dry track."

Next customer, please.

You're funny Mike. It was the best lap they recorded. Period. I already said the rain didn't make the argument better or worse for either side.

I don't care if you and I discuss this anymore. I proposed a theory, got jumped on by a few of you guys, got called a troll, got told that I was proven wrong (even though the best argument any of you guy proposed was along the lines of "No, you're wrong.")

Let's just wait until someone puts the tires on the cars and runs them the same day. I should have just stayed away when I said I would, not even sure why I came back here. You guys are just too much.

I wish you all well, but it's like talking to you guys.

Next customer please!!