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Cleveland1LE · 04-29-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Indydriver

Welcome to C5. This is a great place to learn all about your car while you're waiting. Nice order. You'll love it. Have you started buying mods yet? LOL, I accumulated a good stack in the corner waiting for delivery. BTW, it took 25 days from production (3/17) to delivery for my car but hopefully the railcars are moving better now. Plan on a week to get hood wrap after production then it gets in line for a ride south.

My car changed to SHIPPED/EN ROUTE this morning. Hopefully, the weather will clear before arrival. I have bought the skip shift eliminator and the yellow engine cover.

Indydriver · 04-29-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland1LE

My car changed to SHIPPED/EN ROUTE this morning. Hopefully, the weather will clear before arrival. I have bought the skip shift eliminator and the yellow engine cover.

Ask your salesman for your status code. That will tell you more. You should see 4300 intermediate delivery which means over to the hood wrap shop. The website flips to shipped as soon as its made but unlikely that its already got hood wrap and a railcar this quick. Don't get your expectations ahead of schedule. That just makes it harder.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 04-29-2014, 06:22 PM

The 1LE motto is no rock left behind. Other than that it's great!

the dark nizzle 1L izzle · 12-10-2014, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tw78911sc

I would have never bought a Camaro if they did not offer the 1LE. Cheap M3.

Better than m3, m5, my and few other high end sports cars. Look at car and driver's lightning lap list at VIR . 1LE is toward the top. Neck and neck with the gt500 at around 3 minutes. Saw a legit video on YouTube of a guy running 2:58 at VIR. Chevy did this one right.

X25 · 12-10-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydriver

Need to do the same with std SS.

How long does it take for those white wheels to turn into gray with the brake dust and dirt? They look great, though : )

SPDKILLS · 12-10-2014, 10:36 PM

The 1LE is just plain fun to drive.

Chris1SS1LE · 12-10-2014, 11:40 PM

Yes the 1LE is stiffer, but not much different then any car with aftermarket springs. I drive country roads with uneven pavement, dips, rail road crossings, and thankfully some beautiful smooth twistys with no stop signs for a mile. I will take the stiff ride for the 2-5 minutes of corner hugging mid corner full throttle exits with a slight drift in comp mode anytime. Highway driving it drives like a malibu, I even had my starbucks in the cupholder with no spilling. Except who ever designs cupholders place behind a stick shift needs to be shot.

Truthfully the first camaro I drove was a 2013 SS and I didn't like it, it was to spongee and felt lost when cornering. Then I read and watch reviews of the 1LE, spoke to a couple GM test engineers. Just those guys telling me the 1LE was really the basis of the ZL1 mule cars they did testing on to fine tune the car. He said everybody wanted the N/A Mule cars, even the vette guys. So without even a test drive I ordered one up. Interesting enough do to the stop sale on the recall in june, I was getting fed up. I almost bought a 370Z Nismo and my wife said before we pay for the 1LE lets drive the nismo one more time. Luckly one of my favorite roads is near both dealerships, so we buzz the Nismo down the long sweepers and tight 90's in safe excessive speed, then looped it back. Went to pay for the 1LE, but test drove it first down the same road the same day. It was quicker, as responsive, and felt just as small even though it was much bigger. I fit better in the 1LE do to my 6'-6" size, the nismo was tight.

It is what you want, do you want leisure and same power, or do you want hit the twistys or do autocross or track events. I am a corner whore, so if it rides like a solid axle go cart to pull 1G then so be it.

CrystalRedTintcoat · 12-10-2014, 11:47 PM

I had an Audi S4 before the Camaro. That was a lightning fast car but handled for shit. And the repair bills on an Audi are through the roof! You wear a "Sucka" sticker on your head when you go to get it repaired. Normal fee for anything? $2,000. Clutch repair? $3800!. Turbo repair? $6,600. I bought the car 1.5 times.

Back to your question.

I was working for a software company and Ford was one of our customers. We had access to the X Plan = discounts and no negotiating on cars. They denied me on the Boss 302 and on the GT-500. Laughed me out of the dealership. Multiple stores. I'd always been Chevy guy prior to Audi anyway so I went, literally, across the street and drove an SS.

Sucked. (Sorry Camaro brethren on this site.)

Felt like a pig. No get up and go. Lots of noise. No wood (if ya know what I mean). Maybe I was used to the lighter S4 with the aluminum space frame. :

: Back to the web ...

I had a Z28 in 1984 with 3.92 gears. LOVED that thing. 100K miles. No mechanical problems. Beat the p^ss out of it - hey, I was 20 years old. So I searched the web for Camaros with 3.9x gears and found the 1LE. I had no intentions on tracking at that point but was intrigued by the gearing. Then I started reading about the handling. I think that's when I found C5. SOLD.

An American muscle car with the right gears (which equals torque) and could handle like the Gah'mans (Germans). I ordered it HOPING it'd have a stronger pull than the SS and feel more like my S4.

Two years later and my 1LE /is/ my daily driver. I couldn't be happier. TTrust me, the suspension is not an issue. Many people have BMW's which ride even rougher. This thing is a D-light! The only thing I lament is parking it. It's a BIG car but it's the same size as the SS. It's hard to park in such a way that people won't ding your rig. I'm a nut about hunting for the right spot. Also, the wheels and tires are super expensive. If you can't park it perfecting you'll wind up mashing those beautiful wheels. To this day, two years later, I only park it in reverse. I can position the mirrors down and see the tires/wheels and curb. The only time I didn't do this I ran the front right wheel into the curb.

Rideordie28 · 12-11-2014, 06:45 AM

i commute 75miles one way in a 1le. could not be happier. mive in michigan so i also bought a beater hunting truck for the winter. but once its back to being abov 50 degrees and the rains have washed the salt away it will be back out and running agian.

Rideordie28 · 12-11-2014, 06:47 AM

also snatch one up they only make about 1800 in '13 and 2600 in '14 kinda of a rare car

gajagfan · 12-11-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartan01

The 1LE is an SS.
It has upgraded suspension, and 3.91 gears as opposed to 3.45 for the final drive ratio. Because of this it will get slightly less MPG.
The 1LE is only available as a manual transmission.

The different transmission makes up for the difference in final drive ration, which is damn near identical between the two, so mileage is not different as you mentioned. Please let me make this clear. The SS and the 1LE have different transmissions with different rations inside them. The purpose is to allow for an improved close ration between the lower gears for advantages on a road course. The rations in fifth and sixth are nearly identical.

PS Edit: I answered this as if it were a new thread. My bad, and it appears the OP already has made the correct choice! Guess my dander kind of goes up when I hear the comment "The 1LE is an SS", said no one who ever drove one!

markgws6 · 12-11-2014, 11:55 AM

Op, congrats on the purchase and have fun!

I too test drove a standard SS back in 2013 and it sucked. Sure it had nice power, but the handling was i'm sorry, but for lack of a better term, "soggy" at best. If you want straight line acceleration and nothing more, there are plenty of other platforms out there that can do that better.

I came from a 2011 1LT Camaro and before that I had an 05 SRT-4 with a Hotchkis TVS 1 suspension, adjustable struts, strut tower brace, and motor mount inserts (talk about beat-you-up stiff..) The 1LE is nowhere near that stiff.

I just met someone with a 2014 SS and he told me he's getting a 2015 1LE to which point I had the perma-grin. Also after the various main stream reviews and most recently the MT 15 mustang comparison, our little "secret" SS Camaro that can handle, the secret is out!! It's a world class machine, and it can take on cars costing twice or 3 times as much (on a road course). And if you buy one, you MUST go to a road course at least once to do what it was designed to do in IMHO.

BruHop · 12-11-2014, 12:42 PM

Take it Autocrossing! so much fun without the need for Track Insurance.

Camaro Dude · 12-13-2014, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gajagfan

The different transmission makes up for the difference in final drive ration, which is damn near identical between the two, so mileage is not different as you mentioned. Please let me make this clear. The SS and the 1LE have different transmissions with different rations inside them. The purpose is to allow for an improved close ration between the lower gears for advantages on a road course. The rations in fifth and sixth are nearly identical.

PS Edit: I answered this as if it were a new thread. My bad, and it appears the OP already has made the correct choice! Guess my dander kind of goes up when I hear the comment "The 1LE is an SS", said no one who ever drove one!

Yo dude, just a quick question.

I agree on your tranny vs rear 3.91 ratio explanation, but I have to admit, that I am somewhat perplexed, now in retrospect. Why are the 1LE dyno numbers being reported on here by tuners and private owners as of late, a hair higher than the average?

Electric steering? Check.

Rear diff 3.91?? Nah Can't be.

Coincidence? I guess probably.

Still perplexed here.

04-29-2014, 06:22 PM	#45
Camaro_Corvette 36.58625, -121.7568 Drives: Team 1LE Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 23,710 View My Garage	The 1LE motto is no rock left behind. Other than that it's great! __________________ I am seriously never serious vv V vv Next order of business

12-10-2014, 11:47 PM	#50
CrystalRedTintcoat Drives: 2013 2SS 1LE NPP GBE Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Bay Area, online, & in my 1LE Posts: 2,667 View My Garage	I had an Audi S4 before the Camaro. That was a lightning fast car but handled for shit. And the repair bills on an Audi are through the roof! You wear a "Sucka" sticker on your head when you go to get it repaired. Normal fee for anything? $2,000. Clutch repair? $3800!. Turbo repair? $6,600. I bought the car 1.5 times. Back to your question. I was working for a software company and Ford was one of our customers. We had access to the X Plan = discounts and no negotiating on cars. They denied me on the Boss 302 and on the GT-500. Laughed me out of the dealership. Multiple stores. I'd always been Chevy guy prior to Audi anyway so I went, literally, across the street and drove an SS. Sucked. (Sorry Camaro brethren on this site.) Felt like a pig. No get up and go. Lots of noise. No wood (if ya know what I mean). Maybe I was used to the lighter S4 with the aluminum space frame. :: Back to the web ... I had a Z28 in 1984 with 3.92 gears. LOVED that thing. 100K miles. No mechanical problems. Beat the p^ss out of it - hey, I was 20 years old. So I searched the web for Camaros with 3.9x gears and found the 1LE. I had no intentions on tracking at that point but was intrigued by the gearing. Then I started reading about the handling. I think that's when I found C5. SOLD. An American muscle car with the right gears (which equals torque) and could handle like the Gah'mans (Germans). I ordered it HOPING it'd have a stronger pull than the SS and feel more like my S4. Two years later and my 1LE /is/ my daily driver. I couldn't be happier. TTrust me, the suspension is not an issue. Many people have BMW's which ride even rougher. This thing is a D-light! The only thing I lament is parking it. It's a BIG car but it's the same size as the SS. It's hard to park in such a way that people won't ding your rig. I'm a nut about hunting for the right spot. Also, the wheels and tires are super expensive. If you can't park it perfecting you'll wind up mashing those beautiful wheels. To this day, two years later, I only park it in reverse. I can position the mirrors down and see the tires/wheels and curb. The only time I didn't do this I ran the front right wheel into the curb.

12-11-2014, 06:45 AM	#51
Rideordie28 Drives: White 1SS 1le Join Date: May 2014 Location: Warren Mi Posts: 31	i commute 75miles one way in a 1le. could not be happier. mive in michigan so i also bought a beater hunting truck for the winter. but once its back to being abov 50 degrees and the rains have washed the salt away it will be back out and running agian. __________________ I work for General Motors and am not an official spokes person for General Motors. My views and opinions are my own and not those of General Motors.

12-11-2014, 06:47 AM	#52
Rideordie28 Drives: White 1SS 1le Join Date: May 2014 Location: Warren Mi Posts: 31	also snatch one up they only make about 1800 in '13 and 2600 in '14 kinda of a rare car __________________ I work for General Motors and am not an official spokes person for General Motors. My views and opinions are my own and not those of General Motors.

12-11-2014, 11:55 AM	#54
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	Op, congrats on the purchase and have fun! I too test drove a standard SS back in 2013 and it sucked. Sure it had nice power, but the handling was i'm sorry, but for lack of a better term, "soggy" at best. If you want straight line acceleration and nothing more, there are plenty of other platforms out there that can do that better. I came from a 2011 1LT Camaro and before that I had an 05 SRT-4 with a Hotchkis TVS 1 suspension, adjustable struts, strut tower brace, and motor mount inserts (talk about beat-you-up stiff..) The 1LE is nowhere near that stiff. I just met someone with a 2014 SS and he told me he's getting a 2015 1LE to which point I had the perma-grin. Also after the various main stream reviews and most recently the MT 15 mustang comparison, our little "secret" SS Camaro that can handle, the secret is out!! It's a world class machine, and it can take on cars costing twice or 3 times as much (on a road course). And if you buy one, you MUST go to a road course at least once to do what it was designed to do in IMHO. __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

12-10-2014, 10:36 PM	#48
SPDKILLS Drives: SS 1LE (Black on black) Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Death Valley Posts: 21	The 1LE is just plain fun to drive.

12-10-2014, 11:40 PM	#49
Chris1SS1LE Drives: 2014 Camaro Red Hot 1LE NPP Recaro Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Indiana Posts: 639	Yes the 1LE is stiffer, but not much different then any car with aftermarket springs. I drive country roads with uneven pavement, dips, rail road crossings, and thankfully some beautiful smooth twistys with no stop signs for a mile. I will take the stiff ride for the 2-5 minutes of corner hugging mid corner full throttle exits with a slight drift in comp mode anytime. Highway driving it drives like a malibu, I even had my starbucks in the cupholder with no spilling. Except who ever designs cupholders place behind a stick shift needs to be shot. Truthfully the first camaro I drove was a 2013 SS and I didn't like it, it was to spongee and felt lost when cornering. Then I read and watch reviews of the 1LE, spoke to a couple GM test engineers. Just those guys telling me the 1LE was really the basis of the ZL1 mule cars they did testing on to fine tune the car. He said everybody wanted the N/A Mule cars, even the vette guys. So without even a test drive I ordered one up. Interesting enough do to the stop sale on the recall in june, I was getting fed up. I almost bought a 370Z Nismo and my wife said before we pay for the 1LE lets drive the nismo one more time. Luckly one of my favorite roads is near both dealerships, so we buzz the Nismo down the long sweepers and tight 90's in safe excessive speed, then looped it back. Went to pay for the 1LE, but test drove it first down the same road the same day. It was quicker, as responsive, and felt just as small even though it was much bigger. I fit better in the 1LE do to my 6'-6" size, the nismo was tight. It is what you want, do you want leisure and same power, or do you want hit the twistys or do autocross or track events. I am a corner whore, so if it rides like a solid axle go cart to pull 1G then so be it.

12-11-2014, 12:42 PM	#55
BruHop Drives: 2014 2SS 1LE,RS,NPP,Recaros in SW Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sacramento Posts: 401	Take it Autocrossing! so much fun without the need for Track Insurance.