Credit Union Supplier Discount update

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by JEFE SS

That is incorrect. If a dealer told you this they are trying to get paid twice
for the discount. The credit union member discount is just like Supplier pricing
and if any dealer tells you that the final price is anything above Invoice they
are not being truthful or honoring the discount GM has in place. Supplier pricing
/GMS/Credit union member discount... regaurdless of what you qualify
for or want to call it you pay Invoice. The dealer is required to show you the
invoice and that price is what you pay. Period. Any incentives in place at the
time of delivery... IE cash for clunkers, ussa, etc. are in addition to the
invoice price.

Say MSRP is $35,925
and the Invoice is $33,895
Delivery charge is $795

the Price you pay is $34,690 and not $36,470

plus if you qualify for a current
incentive like Cash for Klunkers
at the maximum of $4,500 the
price would be $30,190

Trackin?

Here's the links to the Credit union member info to take with you to the dealer

Rules and guidlines, excluded vehicles, etc.
https://www.exclusivegmoffer.com/GMP.../pdf/randg.pdf
https://www.exclusivegmoffer.com/ip-...igibility.html

You might also note that The Dealer will be permitted to assess up to $75 in
documentary fees on each delivery to a Participant under the terms of this
program... Some dealers will try and charge you $399.00 doc fees, but if they
are honoring the program they can only charge the maximum $75.00.

Hope this helps. Read up because some dealers will take advantage if you
don't and they won't mind keeping the extra money that you overpay as well
as the GM money too.

Survey says.... NOT!

GMS/GSU/invoice are 3 completely different pricing numbers.

GMS (employee) and GSU (supplier) are listed on the dealer invoice of the car as separate distinct line items. In the normal case where GMS is substantially below invoice, the dealer is "rebated" UP TO INVOICE by GM so the dealer doesn't lose any money selling a car to a GM employee. GSU (supplier) is generally ABOVE invoice but obviously below MSRP. Note however that in either case, GM does NOT rebate the dealer back to MSRP level, just to invoice if the discount goes below that level. That's why dealers choose not to participate in either discount on a "hot" car like the Camaro. Even participating in supplier pricing costs the dealer roughly $1300 on a Camaro sale vs selling it to the next guy who walks through the door.

[JEFE SS]

Originally Posted by trm0002

Survey says.... NOT!

GMS/GSU/invoice are 3 completely different pricing numbers.

GMS (employee) and GSU (supplier) are listed on the dealer invoice of the car as separate distinct line items. In the normal case where GMS is substantially below invoice, the dealer is "rebated" UP TO INVOICE by GM so the dealer doesn't lose any money selling a car to a GM employee. GSU (supplier) is generally ABOVE invoice but obviously below MSRP. Note however that in either case, GM does NOT rebate the dealer back to MSRP level, just to invoice if the discount goes below that level. That's why dealers choose not to participate in either discount on a "hot" car like the Camaro. Even participating in supplier pricing costs the dealer roughly $1300 on a Camaro sale vs selling it to the next guy who walks through the door.

I think the whole point of this thread is summed up in your last sentence. Sell to the
Next Guy because I think I am not alone when I say I am not paying MSRP. GMS GSU Invoice
And isn't there dealer price line also? That dealer price is what the dealer pays right? So any
$$ a customer pays above that is profit right? I agree most dealers want the highest profit
on each camaro they sell but this thread isn't about profit IMO. It is about the GM Credit Union
Member discount. Those dealers who are selling at below MSRP seem to be putting the
Customer ahead of profit and honor GM's efforts to sell more cars at a set price to Dealers
since they have taken the Government bailout money and after declaring bankruptcy. If the
dealer makes a profit on a car it's expected, but that profit that I will pay for my Camaro
won't include that $1300 the other guy is paying. My $1300 will stay in my pocket until I
choose to spend it on modifying my Camaro.

Can I get an Amen? LoL. Okay getting off my soapbox. Sorry if I was confused on the GMS
and GSU acronyms. Stay safe brother and " sell sell sell" in the words of Randolf Duke - from
the movie Trading Places.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by JEFE SS

I think the whole point of this thread is summed up in your last sentence. Sell to the
Next Guy because I think I am not alone when I say I am not paying MSRP. GMS GSU Invoice
And isn't there dealer price line also? That dealer price is what the dealer pays right? So any
$$ a customer pays above that is profit right? I agree most dealers want the highest profit
on each camaro they sell but this thread isn't about profit IMO. It is about the GM Credit Union
Member discount. Those dealers who are selling at below MSRP seem to be putting the
Customer ahead of profit and honor GM's efforts to sell more cars at a set price to Dealers
since they have taken the Government bailout money and after declaring bankruptcy. If the
dealer makes a profit on a car it's expected, but that profit that I will pay for my Camaro
won't include that $1300 the other guy is paying. My $1300 will stay in my pocket until I
choose to spend it on modifying my Camaro.

Can I get an Amen? LoL. Okay getting off my soapbox. Sorry if I was confused on the GMS
and GSU acronyms. Stay safe brother and " sell sell sell" in the words of Randolf Duke - from
the movie Trading Places.

Yes, you can have an "AMEN"- I didn't pay MSRP. BUT I understand why a lot of dealers aren't honoring discounts because of what I said above. And, no, to the best of my knowledge, there is not a 4th line. What there IS is factory holdback (3%) that the dealer eventually gets but most of that goes towards paying interest on their "floor plan" (the money they borrow to pay for their overall inventory of vehicles). The bank(s) don't lend them free money to put all the cars on their lot for people to choose from. It's not like GM says, "Don't worry- pay me when you sell it".

[JEFE SS]

Ten4 fair enough. I can Understand as well just wish more dealers were on the same page as Scotty.

BTW with all due respect. VIN 00074

[JProberts]

Originally Posted by JEFE SS

I think the whole point of this thread is summed up in your last sentence. Sell to the
Next Guy because I think I am not alone when I say I am not paying MSRP. GMS GSU Invoice
And isn't there dealer price line also? That dealer price is what the dealer pays right? So any
$$ a customer pays above that is profit right? I agree most dealers want the highest profit
on each camaro they sell but this thread isn't about profit IMO. It is about the GM Credit Union
Member discount. Those dealers who are selling at below MSRP seem to be putting the
Customer ahead of profit and honor GM's efforts to sell more cars at a set price to Dealers
since they have taken the Government bailout money and after declaring bankruptcy. If the
dealer makes a profit on a car it's expected, but that profit that I will pay for my Camaro
won't include that $1300 the other guy is paying. My $1300 will stay in my pocket until I
choose to spend it on modifying my Camaro.

Can I get an Amen? LoL. Okay getting off my soapbox. Sorry if I was confused on the GMS
and GSU acronyms. Stay safe brother and " sell sell sell" in the words of Randolf Duke - from
the movie Trading Places.

I think you have made the most important point I have heard regarding this thread. GM should honor any reasonable qualified discounts on all of their cars, not just the ones that are not hot and in demand. Just because people want the Camaro so badly they are willing to buy them without these discounts doesn't mean that it is OK for GM to take advantage of the situation.

GM's business goal at this point should be to get as much quality product on the streets in order to get some form of credibility back and show some appreciation for the support they are receiving from hard working americans' like you and me!

They can worry about making profits on each and every car after they redeem themselves and show they are not in it to make every $$ possible but to provide a quality affordable product they can be proud of again.

[mamaro]

Originally Posted by JEFE SS

Ten4 fair enough. I can Understand as well just wish more dealers were on the same page as Scotty.

BTW with all due respect. VIN 00074

My dealer tried to make me feel lucky that I was getting my car at the pre-order MSRP. He is, by the way, selling Camaros at $5-$7,000 over. Talking to the general manager, he said that when I ordered, he didn't know the market would be so far over MSRP, so therefore took my order at MSRP. I do give him credit for honoring our agreement, which was not in writing.

Still, I could have used that $900 discount. :(

[wullger]

Originally Posted by JProberts

I think you have made the most important point I have heard regarding this thread. GM should honor any reasonable qualified discounts on all of their cars, not just the ones that are not hot and in demand. Just because people want the Camaro so badly they are willing to buy them without these discounts doesn't mean that it is OK for GM to take advantage of the situation.

GM's business goal at this point should be to get as much quality product on the streets in order to get some form of credibility back and show some appreciation for the support they are receiving from hard working americans' like you and me!

They can worry about making profits on each and every car after they redeem themselves and show they are not in it to make every $$ possible but to provide a quality affordable product they can be proud of again.

As it's been said time and time again: It's the dealer making the choice to honor or not honor discounts, not GM. You aren't buying the car from GM, you're buying it from the dealer.

[JProberts]

Originally Posted by wullger

As it's been said time and time again: It's the dealer making the choice to honor or not honor discounts, not GM. You aren't buying the car from GM, you're buying it from the dealer.

I guess my point is that GM as a whole can have some say in what dealers are doing with their product. GM and every dealership representing and selling GM cars should not be looking to make maximum $$ of of every sale at this point. Customers that are qualified for discounts should be allowed to take advantage of them no matter what a particular dealer want's to do at this point. I'm willing to guess that 50% o ftheir customers are not using any discounts.

It should only be about gettng as many GM cars sold and on the street as quickly as possible. They need to be willing to give back to customers and show good will at this point becasue if GM falters the way it did last year people like you and me may will not be willing to OK another bailout if GM does not show customers any love when we go to buy their shinny new cars that we help make possible for them so still build, sell and prosper.

[wullger]

-Should- be allowed to take advantage of all discounts? Absolutely. But unfortunately that's not the case everywhere. The best thing to do is just take your business to a dealership that -will- honor the discounts

[DirtTrackDiva]

IF my car ever gets here, I will insist on this discount! Out of the original 14 allocations, mine was #14. (Ordered 11-15-08) All of the first 13 have been delivered. I just got a VIN# two weeks ago! No other info since.

[JProberts]

Originally Posted by DirtTrackDiva

IF my car ever gets here, I will insist on this discount! Out of the original 14 allocations, mine was #14. (Ordered 11-15-08) All of the first 13 have been delivered. I just got a VIN# two weeks ago! No other info since.

When my car arrives and I set down with the dealer before I sign those papers I am willing to keep these guys there all day until they just say the hell with it give him the discount just to get me the hell outta of the dealership.

GM and dealers selling GM cars need to bite the bullet for a change. The only way we can get companies to do what we want is to demand that they do so. If they don't we must make them pay for it by not buying and supporting their products. There aer other great cars out there.

So insist on getting the discount until they give it to you becasue they CAN do it and SHOULD do it. I will be doing the same when my car comes in.

It's funny becasue when my dealer mentioned it to me I didn't make a big deal out of it because I want him to work as hard he can and be as up-front with me because I need him to deliver me the car. But once the car is there I am going to put my foot down and make them make a decision.

Do they want me to leave there happy driving a new 2010 Camaro 2SS at the cost of $36,900 and telling everyone how great their dealership is?

Or do they want me in there dealership for 8 hrs. pissed off and telling everyone I know how crappy their dealership is and not to go there, and then having to sell this Camaro off of their lot with no gurantee that they will get the price they want anyway. This car won't be hot forever!

Anyway, let me know what happens and I will do the same when I finally get mine.

[trm0002]

Originally Posted by JProberts

When my car arrives and I set down with the dealer before I sign those papers I am willing to keep these guys there all day until they just say the hell with it give him the discount just to get me the hell outta of the dealership.

GM and dealers selling GM cars need to bite the bullet for a change. The only way we can get companies to do what we want is to demand that they do so. If they don't we must make them pay for it by not buying and supporting their products. There aer other great cars out there.

So insist on getting the discount until they give it to you becasue they CAN do it and SHOULD do it. I will be doing the same when my car comes in.

It's funny becasue when my dealer mentioned it to me I didn't make a big deal out of it because I want him to work as hard he can and be as up-front with me because I need him to deliver me the car. But once the car is there I am going to put my foot down and make them make a decision.

Do they want me to leave there happy driving a new 2010 Camaro 2SS at the cost of $36,900 and telling everyone how great their dealership is?

Or do they want me in there dealership for 8 hrs. pissed off and telling everyone I know how crappy their dealership is and not to go there, and then having to sell this Camaro off of their lot with no gurantee that they will get the price they want anyway. This car won't be hot forever!

Anyway, let me know what happens and I will do the same when I finally get mine.

But it is hot now. If you knew going in that they weren't honoring discounts then quite honestly I hope they don't. It takes a lot of balls on your end to be pissed off and bad mouth the dealership for doing what they told you they were going to do in the first place. JMO.

[CamaroScotty]

Why TRY to get a discount? Just order from a dealer who CLEARLY SAYS you will get a discount. Less headaches for both parties.

[cooler2442]

Originally Posted by JProberts

When my car arrives and I set down with the dealer before I sign those papers I am willing to keep these guys there all day until they just say the hell with it give him the discount just to get me the hell outta of the dealership.

GM and dealers selling GM cars need to bite the bullet for a change. The only way we can get companies to do what we want is to demand that they do so. If they don't we must make them pay for it by not buying and supporting their products. There aer other great cars out there.

So insist on getting the discount until they give it to you becasue they CAN do it and SHOULD do it. I will be doing the same when my car comes in.

It's funny becasue when my dealer mentioned it to me I didn't make a big deal out of it because I want him to work as hard he can and be as up-front with me because I need him to deliver me the car. But once the car is there I am going to put my foot down and make them make a decision.

Do they want me to leave there happy driving a new 2010 Camaro 2SS at the cost of $36,900 and telling everyone how great their dealership is?

Or do they want me in there dealership for 8 hrs. pissed off and telling everyone I know how crappy their dealership is and not to go there, and then having to sell this Camaro off of their lot with no gurantee that they will get the price they want anyway. This car won't be hot forever!

Anyway, let me know what happens and I will do the same when I finally get mine.

Yeah not sure if I would fight it, because in the end unless you have a contract in writing saying your getting MSRP they might just walk out on you and sell it to someone else. People who posted cars at MSRP on this forum got them sold in 1-2days meaning if your dealer wants to turn it around and sell to someone else they can easily. Its up to you, do you want to save your 900$ or risk wasting tons of hours or even loosing your car?