Will GM beat the kitty kat?

[Alain]

Originally Posted by BigBoyBlue

I wouldn't go to Commiefornia if someone paid me.

Dodge has a hard enough time keeping their cars from breaking down under normal use. I guess I cannot blame them for not allowing track use under their warranty.

In fact, this reminds me of all the Police Agencies across the country that ordered Dodge Chargers. Since Chevy and Ford didn't have V-8 powered sedans at the the time they ordered, many Police Departments were forced to get Dodges. I know many many departments have complained about the quality of the Dodge and the amount of repairs they have to make on the car. I forget all the police departments that this covered, but I know first hand from family that are cops in NYC and Montgomery Co, MD. Both said that the Charger has been a poor replacement for the Crown Vic. The only upside is the HP that is offered in the modern Dodge.

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/...a4bcf6878.html

http://wreg.com/2014/07/17/blown-eng...h-one-cruiser/

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/706059973/

Now go home and get your shine box!

You can't generalize like that. Eventhough you have a bunch of articles there. I'm s state trooper here in NJ and we have chargers. The newest one we have is a 2013, the oldest we have are 2010 and none of them have ever had quality issues or broken down, and we beat the hell out of them.

Siting police usage of a vehicle in order to argue quality of a car is a poor argument. Due to the nature of our work, Police cars get beat to hell.

Here is a small example, I work my shift, as soon as I park the car the next guy comes in for his shift and takes that same car I just finished using. The next day when income back to work I take that same car that he just finished useif during his shift....... Police cars are, literally, used non stop. Not to mention the stopping and going, the hard acceleration and breaking and all the other craziness we put these cars through while we are working.

Due to this constant use and abuse ofcourse cars break down. But the chargers don't break down any more than the Crown Victorias, Impalas or Tahoes.

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by Alain

You can't generalize like that. Eventhough you have a bunch of articles there. I'm s state trooper here in NJ and we have chargers. The newest one we have is a 2013, the oldest we have are 2010 and none of them have ever had quality issues or broken down, and we beat the hell out of them.

Siting police usage of a vehicle in order to argue quality of a car is a poor argument. Due to the nature of our work, Police cars get beat to hell.

Here is a small example, I work my shift, as soon as I park the car the next guy comes in for his shift and takes that same car I just finished using. The next day when income back to work I take that same car that he just finished useif during his shift....... Police cars are, literally, used non stop. Not to mention the stopping and going, the hard acceleration and breaking and all the other craziness we put these cars through while we are working.

Due to this constant use and abuse ofcourse cars break down. But the chargers don't break down any more than the Crown Victorias, Impalas or Tahoes.

I understand that police cars are really abused, much like NYC taxis. That is why they used to have the same models.

I'm glad you guys are having no problems with your Chargers, well at least as long as you aren't pulling me over on the GSP. That said, and I cannot remember the particular articles, it has been reported that police forces all around the country were having quality issues with the Chargers. I think I even saw a lot of complaining about them on some police forums. I don't think it is a poor argument, as I have at least 4 family members on the job with NYPD and Nassau County. They all opined that the Crown Vics were better quality. I'd love to be able to get the data from some of the big police departments and compare the costs (adjusted for inflation) of running the Chargers and running the Crown Vics/Impalas.

Thanks for your service.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Funny thing is I don't have the slower car...I'm already well modded. Once more..try again...

Ohhhhhhh,.....................modded?
What happens when someone does "mods" their Hellcat then?
Stock for stock,....the Hellcat is faster, no?? From what I am reading, it is. Unless those are all lies? So, are you saying what I am reading are lies?
If they are, please send me links to what is factual before I possibly buy a slow Hellcat. I'm not being facetious, I would just like to see proof and be alright with it. Thanks.

[Alain]

Originally Posted by BigBoyBlue

I understand that police cars are really abused, much like NYC taxis. That is why they used to have the same models.

I'm glad you guys are having no problems with your Chargers, well at least as long as you aren't pulling me over on the GSP. That said, and I cannot remember the particular articles, it has been reported that police forces all around the country were having quality issues with the Chargers. I think I even saw a lot of complaining about them on some police forums. I don't think it is a poor argument, as I have at least 4 family members on the job with NYPD and Nassau County. They all opined that the Crown Vics were better quality. I'd love to be able to get the data from some of the big police departments and compare the costs (adjusted for inflation) of running the Chargers and running the Crown Vics/Impalas.

Thanks for your service.

You're welcome. Haha. I'll be on the lookout for a ZL1 with Maryland plates hahha

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Sven59

People are forgetting muscle cars roots were in both 1/4 mile and road courses.

What???

Muscle cars were 2 door coupe versions of mid/full size family cars stuffed with big engines. All they could do is go fast in a straight line. Sure, some of them were modified for road racing but as they came off the showroom floor they couldn't turn to save their lives.

FWIW, I think the ZL1 and Hellcat are both awesome. But they are two different tools for two different purposes. Ideally a person could have both.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

Ohhhhhhh,.....................modded?
What happens when someone does "mods" their Hellcat then?
Stock for stock,....the Hellcat is faster, no?? From what I am reading, it is. Unless those are all lies? So, are you saying what I am reading are lies?
If they are, please send me links to what is factual before I possibly buy a slow Hellcat. I'm not being facetious, I would just like to see proof and be alright with it. Thanks.

it will proabably have 8 second power and run low 10's

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

What???

Muscle cars were 2 door coupe versions of mid/full size family cars stuffed with big engines. All they could do is go fast in a straight line. Sure, some of them were modified for road racing but as they came off the showroom floor they couldn't turn to save their lives.

FWIW, I think the ZL1 and Hellcat are both awesome. But they are two different tools for two different purposes. Ideally a person could have both.

Read post #356

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

What happens when someone does "mods" their Hellcat then?

They do longer burnouts? At what point do you reach diminishing returns in terms of cost per HP and the ability to hook it up?

I think it's fair to say a ZL1 is starting in a pretty low state of tune. I.e. 8 psi boost, no CAI, etc. Getting it to 700-750 HP isn't difficult. If you're going beyond that you are in an elite group. JMO

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

They do longer burnouts? At what point do you reach diminishing returns in terms of cost per HP and the ability to hook it up?

I think it's fair to say a ZL1 is starting in a pretty low state of tune. I.e. 8 psi boost, no CAI, etc. Getting it to 700-750 HP isn't difficult. If you're going beyond that you are in an elite group. JMO

That's great,....but what if the HC mods are suspension mods and weight reduction mods? The power and torque is already there.
Then what?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

That's great,....but what if the HC mods are suspension mods and weight reduction mods? The power and torque is already there.
Then what?

Or buy a ZL1, it already is lighter and has a world class suspension and for a lot less money you can be at 700hp, but you probably won't need that much.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Read post #356

Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers were (and are) not muscle cars.

Muscle cars were GTO's (Tempest), GTX's (Belvedere), Chevelles, Impalas, Road Runners (Satellite), Grand Nationals (Regal), and the like. Muscle cars were based on platforms that could be had with 4 doors.

None of them could turn... or stop... or do much of anything besides go straight.

Not to get too deep into semantics, but Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, etc. were pony cars, not muscle cars. Although they were stuffed with big engines they were not based on mid/full size family sedans hence did not fit the classic definition of muscle car.

But whatever.

I love the Hellcat but would probably buy a ZL1 if I were going to drop that kind of coin. Figure that one out.

[Sven59]

Total sematics, look up the ten best muscle cars of all time. People use the names interchangeably and it makes no difference to the point. Camaros, Mustangs and Challengers since their inception have been used on road courses and 1/4 mile. You knew what I was talking about, another troll.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

That's great,....but what if the HC mods are suspension mods and weight reduction mods? The power and torque is already there.
Then what?

If a pure drag car is the goal, perhaps a COPO would be a better starting point. I'd bet most HC owners will be pretty happy with it as delivered. I can only speak for myself, but 700 HP for screwing around on the street seem about right

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

Ohhhhhhh,.....................modded?
What happens when someone does "mods" their Hellcat then?
Stock for stock,....the Hellcat is faster, no?? From what I am reading, it is. Unless those are all lies? So, are you saying what I am reading are lies?
If they are, please send me links to what is factual before I possibly buy a slow Hellcat. I'm not being facetious, I would just like to see proof and be alright with it. Thanks.

Yet another person trying to tell me I meant something other than what I wrote.

The hellcat can definitely be modded, but that's not what I was refrencing. However they will have am issue with locked ECM unless Dodge unexpectedly unlocks them.

Now save your translations for your hubby...I'm guessing your female as I've never met a man who put so many words into mouth that never actually came out.