Will GM beat the kitty kat?

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Or buy a ZL1, it already is lighter and has a world class suspension and for a lot less money you can be at 700hp, but you probably won't need that much.

See post 409.
All I ask is for proof. All I read is that the HC can beat the GT500 AND the ZL1 at the drag strip. Please show me otherwise. I just want to see what I am missing and proof.

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

If a pure drag car is the goal, perhaps a COPO would be a better starting point. I'd bet most HC owners will be pretty happy with it as delivered. I can only speak for myself, but 700 HP for screwing around on the street seem about right

The COPO is a beast, but I don't think it can be street driven.

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

Yet another person trying to tell me I meant something other than what I wrote.
The hellcat can definitely be modded, but that's not what I was refrencing. However they will have am issue with locked ECM unless Dodge unexpectedly unlocks them.
Now save your translations for your hubby...I'm guessing your female as I've never met a man who put so many words into mouth that never actually came out.

So,....what did your post actually mean then? Are we talking stock for stock cars, or are we modding? Maybe I misunderstood you? And for the record, the HC does have a locked ECM,....does that mean it will never be cracked for upgrades? I'm sure it will.

[javi05]

i have be looking at the vids of the hell cat and love it. but will a camaro need 700 hp to beat it. no.. imo.. that car is heavy and couldnt do 0-60 in less than 5 secs.. without a dodge engineer driving at that still only did 4.7ish.. my car can do that stock and i just have the 1le... but then that bastards whines its butt off and it still hits 11's.. cool car. but i dont think the camaro will need much more than 650hp to beat it no problem the LT4...

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

See post 409.
All I ask is for proof. All I read is that the HC can beat the GT500 AND the ZL1 at the drag strip. Please show me otherwise. I just want to see what I am missing and proof.


The COPO is a beast, but I don't think it can be street driven.


So,....what did your post actually mean then? Are we talking stock for stock cars, or are we modding? Maybe I misunderstood you? And for the record, the HC does have a locked ECM,....does that mean it will never be cracked for upgrades? I'm sure it will.

Motortrend tested the HC and it couldn't beat the Shelby, but fell between the Shelby and ZL1. The numbers that Dodge posted were on drag radials on a prepped course. Motortrend tests it's cars stock and on the same surface for all cars. I think the 0-60 times were 3.5 Shelby, 3.7 HC, and 3.8 for ZL1.

I don't really care who is fastest. They are all fast. I like all three of them. I almost bought the Shelby, but liked how the ZL1 drove better. I want a car that handles as well as it accelerates. Part of me would love to snap up a slightly used Shelby now.

The Challenger is nice looking and obviously fast. I just wouldn't buy one based on Chrysler quality issues. It's the same reason I bought my 2013 4runner instead of a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Everyone that I know who has ever had the JGC has had nothing but problems. I hope I'm wrong. I'd love a stronger Chrysler.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

See post 409.
All I ask is for proof. All I read is that the HC can beat the GT500 AND the ZL1 at the drag strip. Please show me otherwise. I just want to see what I am missing and proof.


The COPO is a beast, but I don't think it can be street driven.


So,....what did your post actually mean then? Are we talking stock for stock cars, or are we modding? Maybe I misunderstood you? And for the record, the HC does have a locked ECM,....does that mean it will never be cracked for upgrades? I'm sure it will.

What do you want proof of. You have been trolling here for a long time. Which facts are you missing? You have been asked multiple times to show a road course time or a top end time. Maybe it's time you start providing some facts, and yes we know what it did in the 1/4, but what else can it do? One Trick Kitty until you can show otherwise.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

The COPO is a beast, but I don't think it can be street driven..

What meaningful weigh reduction and drag suspension mods do you see guys doing to street driven HC? I don't see guys gutting them and putting a straight axle drag setup on their baby

[jessrayo]

Hmm, now that it seems to be okay to talk about mods without getting flamed..... When it comes to mods, there is a thing called the aftermarket that really drives a lot on the availability of modifications. Lets face it, a company has to sell a certain number of aftermarket parts for the production to be worthwhile.

I guess most people don't understand this because they don't actually mod cars themselves or something but "mods" are not universal. A hellcat with mods will not beat a ZL1 with mods. There are tons of options for ZL1's, I can literally open a catalog and find 10 different sets of headers that will fit on my ZL1 and have them sent overnight. I'm sure I could have 3 different 427 cubic inch blocks that will bolt right into my car sent by the end of the week. Sorry but you won't be able to do that with the Hellcat.

If someone wants to be really fast, mod a Mustang or a Camaro, it is going to cost a little more for the Ford but the parts are out there. They really do not exist for any of the Dodge brand. If you want to go really fast, you need really deep pockets if you drive a Dodge. And even if you have deep pockets, if you race at the right venues a Mustang or Camaro with deep pockets will still blow your doors off.

[Sven59]

It will be interesting to see the numbers start coming out from actual people racing it. I think you are right. The modded street legal ZL1s are running neck and neck in times with the GT500, let's see how far they can push the fat kitty.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by tones2SS

So,....what did your post actually mean then? Are we talking stock for stock cars, or are we modding? Maybe I misunderstood you? And for the record, the HC does have a locked ECM,....does that mean it will never be cracked for upgrades? I'm sure it will.

What don't you get? I meant exactly what I wrote, go back and read it in reference to who I quoted. If you still don't understand, let it go.

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by Sven59

What do you want proof of. You have been trolling here for a long time. Which facts are you missing? You have been asked multiple times to show a road course time or a top end time. Maybe it's time you start providing some facts, and yes we know what it did in the 1/4, but what else can it do? One Trick Kitty until you can show otherwise.

top speed 199 for Hellcat= Win
1/4 11.2 for Hellcat= Win
Road course still to be determined, but lets give it to the ZL1= Win

Wouldn't that make the Zl1 a " one trick pony"
See what I did there..........

[Sven59]

Where did they run the top speed run and was it NHRA certified?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

top speed 199 for Hellcat= Win
1/4 11.2 for Hellcat= Win
Road course still to be determined, but lets give it to the ZL1= Win

Wouldn't that make the Zl1 a " one trick pony"
See what I did there..........

They couldn't get a good road course time because they had to clear the parts off the track. The fat kitty was poopin'

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

top speed 199 for Hellcat= Win
1/4 11.2 for Hellcat= Win
Road course still to be determined, but lets give it to the ZL1= Win

Wouldn't that make the Zl1 a " one trick pony"
See what I did there..........

I have beat all of those numbers pretty easy. So even if GM doesn't beat them some of the private ZL1 owners will.

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

top speed 199 for Hellcat= Win
1/4 11.2 for Hellcat= Win
Road course still to be determined, but lets give it to the ZL1= Win

Wouldn't that make the Zl1 a " one trick pony"
See what I did there..........

Your logic is severely flawed. A car that wins on a real racetrack DOES EVERYTHING well. Accelerate, corner, brake, and etc.. The track is a combo of all performance metrics.

BTW do you really think a Dodge will go 199? The doors will fall off, the hood will fly off, and you'll have to call AAA to be towed off the track.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by BigBoyBlue

Motortrend tested the HC and it couldn't beat the Shelby, but fell between the Shelby and ZL1. The numbers that Dodge posted were on drag radials on a prepped course. Motortrend tests it's cars stock and on the same surface for all cars. I think the 0-60 times were 3.5 Shelby, 3.7 HC, and 3.8 for ZL1.
I don't really care who is fastest. They are all fast. I like all three of them. I almost bought the Shelby, but liked how the ZL1 drove better. I want a car that handles as well as it accelerates. Part of me would love to snap up a slightly used Shelby now.
The Challenger is nice looking and obviously fast. I just wouldn't buy one based on Chrysler quality issues. It's the same reason I bought my 2013 4runner instead of a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Everyone that I know who has ever had the JGC has had nothing but problems. I hope I'm wrong. I'd love a stronger Chrysler.

FINALLY!!!
That's what I'm looking for bro! A honest answer and not to be talked down to because I own a Mustang and not a Camaro any more and that I am interested in the HC. I appreciate you posting this. Thanks. Now, I have ammo to say that it isn't the fastest quarter mile car.

Originally Posted by Sven59

What do you want proof of. You have been trolling here for a long time. Which facts are you missing? You have been asked multiple times to show a road course time or a top end time. Maybe it's time you start providing some facts, and yes we know what it did in the 1/4, but what else can it do? One Trick Kitty until you can show otherwise.

All those posts I have? Have you even researched bro? Trolling? lol
I traded in the Hugger Orange Camaro SS for the Mustang. I love all 3 of these cars. At one point, all I ever owned was Chevrolet. 2 Camaros, some Berrattas and a Monte Carlo SS.
As for the kitty cat on the track,....I can't speak for that. I'd love to know how it does on the track against the GT500 and the ZL1. I don't know why it isn't available to see?

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

What meaningful weigh reduction and drag suspension mods do you see guys doing to street driven HC? I don't see guys gutting them and putting a straight axle drag setup on their baby

I have no idea man. I never owned a Challenger. Only Camaros, among other Chevy's and a currently a RS3. My daily is a Ram 1500 Daytona. (That is why before I buy I am researching and questioning.)
I am sure there are suspension mods for the Challenger. Wouldn't really need to make more power or torque. Just get it planted.

Originally Posted by jessrayo

Hmm, now that it seems to be okay to talk about mods without getting flamed..... When it comes to mods, there is a thing called the aftermarket that really drives a lot on the availability of modifications. Lets face it, a company has to sell a certain number of aftermarket parts for the production to be worthwhile.

I guess most people don't understand this because they don't actually mod cars themselves or something but "mods" are not universal. A hellcat with mods will not beat a ZL1 with mods. There are tons of options for ZL1's, I can literally open a catalog and find 10 different sets of headers that will fit on my ZL1 and have them sent overnight. I'm sure I could have 3 different 427 cubic inch blocks that will bolt right into my car sent by the end of the week. Sorry but you won't be able to do that with the Hellcat.

If someone wants to be really fast, mod a Mustang or a Camaro, it is going to cost a little more for the Ford but the parts are out there. They really do not exist for any of the Dodge brand. If you want to go really fast, you need really deep pockets if you drive a Dodge. And even if you have deep pockets, if you race at the right venues a Mustang or Camaro with deep pockets will still blow your doors off.

I agree bro. The LSx aftermarket platform is very huge and that engine responds very well to mods. I know, I had one.
Same goes for the Ford. I currently have one a supercharged Coyote and it very inexpensive to make it faster and plant better. Boost is good. lol