Is Camaro5 cool with me sending car pics from the forum to my friends?

[goinggone14]

Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic

Ok. So you have 2 things to consider; legal and moral/ethical.

Legal - Everything released to a public space (i.e. - internet forum) automatically has a "creative commons" copyright. Meaning that unless the author/designer of the photo has an official copyright for that SPECIFIC image, you can redistribute it, even sell it for profit. Even if the owner asks you to not re-distribute the image (i.e. - "Please don't use image X without my express permission), they do not have a legal, filed copyright. This is the gray area in the law that would be settled in court.

Moral/Ethical - Everything I said above is non-sense. Don't be a dick and don't take people's images, especially if they are un-watermarked. Ask for permission, and you will most likely get it, and there will be no issue. If you don't get permission, don't use it. The fact that you even posed this question shows that you care about your reputation, and I have the feeling that if you follow your instinct, you will be fine.

Reading everything above is a waste of time.

If you can see them than these pictures can already be accessed by anyone in the world by doing a Google search.

End of story.

[KeyWil]

Originally Posted by Taco Time

All I'd say is if a license plate is visible then white out the numbers as a courtesy. If someone is posting a picture on this forum then they better be smart enough to understand how easily accessible it is to anyone with internet access.

^^^^ Agreed

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by goinggone14

If you can see them than these pictures can already be accessed by anyone in the world by doing a Google search.

End of story.

Agreed. If the photos are already here, then they have already been seen by everyone on the planet and stored on a billion hard drives. The security breach already happened. No use locking the barn now.

[Ragnar]

Welcome back ChrisBlair!

[hypercarfanatic]

Originally Posted by goinggone14

Reading everything above is a waste of time.

If you can see them than these pictures can already be accessed by anyone in the world by doing a Google search.

End of story.

Well you're nice...

Yes, they can be accessed by anyone. So can a lot of images that are copyrighted. While the likelihood of this being the case for anyone on Camaro5 is miniscule, it is still possible that somewhere, in some obscure corner, there is a photographer that sells his work, and by taking his image, you are stealing.

No, you don't have to ask. No, there is no law saying you need the person to say yes. Is it the curious thing to do - yes. Besides, if you were the owner, wouldn't it be pretty cool to get a PM saying something to the effect of your car being awesome, and someone wanting to show it off?

Point being - you are being courteous. You may not be in favor of fostering a friendly community, but I am. Besides, it is an open forum. He asked for opinions, so I gave mine. Just adding back to that community.

Here is a link to an article on photo-piracy

http://digital-photography-school.co...-photo-piracy/

"Through this event and hearing the reactions of people who really didn’t see the big deal made me realise that we are pirates. Some of us copy CDs, some ‘let’ our friends leave their pirate DVDs at the house, others copy images off Google to fill the corners of our blog posts, quote Wiki without attribution, directly steal concepts for our photography without giving props. In some way or another, many of us do something unethical with another person’s intellectual property once in a while. And even more, I believe that we’ve all been the victim of piracy at some time or another, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

Take that image stolen from me for instance. It’s being distributed by a massive warehouse in Birmingham. Who knows where in the world there are hanging photos of my little boy."

[hypercarfanatic]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Agreed. If the photos are already here, then they have already been seen by everyone on the planet and stored on a billion hard drives. The security breach already happened. No use locking the barn now.

"If your friend jumped off a cliff, would you jump too?"

While you are right, does that make it right to continue it? "Oh its futile to stop, so I might as well join in"

Besides, is it REALLY so hard to type out a quick 2-sentence PM? You don't have to, but if for no other reason than making someone else's day a little better, why not?

Do or don't its your own decision. Should the need arise, I would, and was expressing this on a thread asking for said expression.

[shibbs]

I'm okay with it, as long as the person reposting my picture isn't claiming it to be their work/car.

In short - just give credit where credit is due.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic

"If your friend jumped off a cliff, would you jump too?"

While you are right, does that make it right to continue it? "Oh its futile to stop, so I might as well join in"

Besides, is it REALLY so hard to type out a quick 2-sentence PM? You don't have to, but if for no other reason than making someone else's day a little better, why not?

Do or don't its your own decision. Should the need arise, I would, and was expressing this on a thread asking for said expression.

You're making this way too complicated. I appreciate that you're idealistic. But you need to temper that with realism.

Asking me a rhetorical moral question when faced with a scenario that is already a done deal is pointless. It doesn't matter if I like the situation or not; it's just a fact that neither you nor I can change regardless of our collective altruism or lack of it. The old 'jump off a bridge' chestnut is meaningless here: this is not a domino effect that I am propagating. It's a completed event that has already come to pass.

[Mutant Racer]

Originally Posted by NYCamOwner

So if a person does not reply, what would you do? Send or not send?

Send them a PM and ask if they are cool with it. Remember the pics will be sent through private email and will never make their way to another public forum. I can't link too many friends here or to google since they are military and deployed in some nasty places and seeing some of your cool Camaros cheers them up.

For friends and family, some of them, they just don't believe me when I describe some of the rides here and it makes it easier just to show people. Not to make fun of anybody of course.

The Camaros here rock for the most part and I'm a pic whore but some don't like that and I'd rather have permission instead of getting yelled at.

I've sent pics to Marines in Afghanistan, friends in Germany and Australia, japan just to name a few places.

I do it to be respectful and not try to take advantage of you all.

[Mutant Racer]

Originally Posted by shibbs

I'm okay with it, as long as the person reposting my picture isn't claiming it to be their work/car.

In short - just give credit where credit is due.

That's precisley what I'd like to prevent and make sure my people know.

[IH8OPEC]

Originally Posted by shibbs

I'm okay with it, as long as the person reposting my picture isn't claiming it to be their work/car.

In short - just give credit where credit is due.

+1

I have the same opinion as shibbs!

[hypercarfanatic]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

You're making this way too complicated. I appreciate that you're idealistic. But you need to temper that with realism.

Asking me a rhetorical moral question when faced with a scenario that is already a done deal is pointless. It doesn't matter if I like the situation or not; it's just a fact that neither you nor I can change regardless of our collective altruism or lack of it. The old 'jump off a bridge' chestnut is meaningless here: this is not a domino effect that I am propagating. It's a completed event that has already come to pass.

Thats where you and I differ. I see it is a perpetuating domino effect. Every time an image is taken, it is compounding the offence. I have had quite a bit of my own art stolen like this, and something that I learned was that every time another person spread the image, the potential for more spreading was possible. Its a chain reaction, one person steals it off me, 4 off him, 8 off of each of those 4, ect. If then another person takes it off me (the source), it is a totally different branch that the image takes.

Now I agree that this needs to be taken in context, they are just car photos after all, done to showcase an persons car, not make profit. In all likelihood, no one cares. But it is giving the photographer/owner a simple statement of recognition and intent when you reproduce their image. If you choose to do this, fine. If not, fine. Its not my image, so I have no vested interest. I just tried to answer the OP's question.

[chevy 3]

I "F" this all up. I showed an emblem to a budy that I saw on here. I wanted to use it as a hood liner. So budy shows up at house a week later with the emblem as a full decal. I was like WOW. Looked killer and never really thought about it. Till I posted a pic of it finished and said member wasn't to happy. I felt like crap. I still haven't put it on the car even though I think it would look killer. Not sure how long would be good to wait to ask if I could use it.
Still feel like a dick. I never thought it would bother if it was posted. I was wrong

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by hypercarfanatic

Thats where you and I differ. I see it is a perpetuating domino effect. Every time an image is taken, it is compounding the offence. I have had quite a bit of my own art stolen like this, and something that I learned was that every time another person spread the image, the potential for more spreading was possible. Its a chain reaction, one person steals it off me, 4 off him, 8 off of each of those 4, ect. If then another person takes it off me (the source), it is a totally different branch that the image takes.

Now I agree that this needs to be taken in context, they are just car photos after all, done to showcase an persons car, not make profit. In all likelihood, no one cares. But it is giving the photographer/owner a simple statement of recognition and intent when you reproduce their image. If you choose to do this, fine. If not, fine. Its not my image, so I have no vested interest. I just tried to answer the OP's question.

I can't propagate something that already happened.

Nobody's denying that you're just answering, and nobody's given you a hard time. It's completely OK for me to provide counterpoint.

I'm glad that you can agree that your particular experience with this issue is not really the same as the scenario proposed. But by the same token, it is still just as true that you cannot expect anything you put online to remain private or secure. It's the nature of the beast. A quick Google search and bam: many images show up. Most people do not even have the thought cross their minds that says "hey that's not my image".

And then again, asking permission is not quite the same as giving credit, would you agree? Using a different situation, if I re-record somebody's song and just credit them, that is not the same as having secured permission.

But that is beside the point. In this particular scenario of a car forum, you do not have any semblance of "security". Not only can any non-member peruse the pages, but we do not own the forum and our terms of service do not grant us a guarantee of anything. This is an interesting snippet from the Terms of Service of this very forum (boldface by me for emphasis):

"By submitting, displaying or posting content on the Site, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive global license to reproduce, publish, modify, and distribute the content submitted by you to the Site. You also grant the Site global nonexclusive adaptation and resale rights over any content and material submitted to the Site. These nonexclusive publishing license and resale/adaptation rights extend to any materials submitted "for publication" within the Site, including both message board postings and content submitted for uploading and subsequent publishing within non-message board portions of the Site"

Food for thought!

You want to address the moral issue proposed here, and while that is germane to the overall issue and makes a fine discussion, it impacts the inevitable outcome very little. That said, please be wary of attributing to me any qualities that puts me in a state of agreement with theft. I'm simply stating the fact that it's already 'out there' the second you post the image. My own moral compass is not influenced by that outcome. I do however find it necessary to consider anything I post anywhere online to be 100% out of my control forevermore.

I have spent a good bit of my own money and an appreciable amount of my time on third party work for a flight simulator, completely for free. This includes research and artwork. To be a little vain, it was very well received and widely downloaded. It is available for free download and it is now out of my hands. I can and have asked people to please respect the work I put into it and to not pretend it is their work or to upload it somewhere else without my permission, or to alter it and then upload it.

So far that has seemed to work; it's been about seven years. But I also had to reconcile myself to the fact that no matter what I ask, I cannot enforce anything.