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jkidcusto · 11-22-2014, 12:32 AM

The passenger side is no breeze but go work on a 4th gen Fbody for a little bit.

BubbaSS · 11-22-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MickGIS

Before I drove it to the DIY Auto Repair garage I checked the two header bolts on either side of cylinder #2 and torqued them to 20-25 ft/lbs which stopped the exhaust leak.
I have an appointment this coming Tuesday the 25th to get a Dyno tune at American Intense Racing here in Colorado.
On January 30, 2010 at 1,770 miles with it stock the last of three pulls on the dyno registered 365.08 WHP, 371.28 RWTQ
My Camaro is at 45,041 miles now.
The LS3 in this Camaro is rated at 426 HP at the crank so my goal is with just bolt-ons and a tune is to get 426 WHP.

My mods:

CAI cold air intake
ADM scoop
Roto-Fab w/w relocate
Stainless Power LT headers
Stainless Works High flow Cats
Hearthrob cat back H-pipe with high flow muffles

What do you think do I have a chance at 426 WHP?

Are you using the same dyno? If so, you'll need to add another 60+whp with your mods since the baseline was done. Will take some bad ass tuning to get the number you want with your current setup.

MickGIS · 11-25-2014, 03:30 PM

At the tuners today they did a few runs on the dyno then checked the sensor readings from my car and said that the sensor readings were pretty optimal and that they probably could not get much more out of this engine. So the final results were 404.66 WHP / 404.26 RWTQ, not bad for just bolt ons with no tune needed.

TwentyTen2SSRS · 11-25-2014, 07:53 PM

Why aren't you tuning it? I'm confused. I have similar mods and put 416.5 and consistently 414 whp

Destructo09 · 11-25-2014, 08:02 PM

Your going to get a check engine light without a tune....

Also, leaving plenty more HP on the table without the tune. Those are good numbers though for no tune, I dyno'd 393 SAE corrected before my tune.

MickGIS · 11-25-2014, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TwentyTen2SSRS

Why aren't you tuning it? I'm confused. I have similar mods and put 416.5 and consistently 414 whp

That's what this tuner said that he could not get anything else out of this engine. Could be he's not that good, should I try someone else?

Destructo09 · 11-25-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MickGIS

That's what this tuner said that he could not get anything else out of this engine.

Sounds like you need a better tuner, lol. He didn't even bother to try, sounds like he doesn't know what he's doing to me.

TXLS3 · 11-25-2014, 08:24 PM

I did my headers myself but I have access to a lift and all the tools. It was relatively straight forward but there definitely are some tight spaces when it comes to bolting things down. I'm always impressed by the guys who do it in the driveway with a jack and stands.

Also I have the same mods and put down 400hp 398tq with a custom dyno tune. It was 100+ degrees.. Needless to say I'm not pleased with the numbers but I know my tuner is good and the car runs great and pulls hard. but he did recommend switching from 2 1/2" exhaust to 3" and Id probably hit around 410.

TwentyTen2SSRS · 11-25-2014, 08:29 PM

Yeah you will definitely get more out of a good tune!

TwentyTen2SSRS · 11-25-2014, 08:30 PM

I did mine in garage on jack stands.

MickGIS · 11-27-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MickGIS

At the tuners today they did a few runs on the dyno then checked the sensor readings from my car and said that the sensor readings were pretty optimal and that they probably could not get much more out of this engine. So the final results were 404.66 WHP / 404.26 RWTQ, not bad for just bolt ons with no tune needed.

Upon reflection I realize just how sour an experience it was with Dyno-Pro and AIR (American Intense Racing) both in Arvada, CO.
Clint at AIR seemed to be very accommodating two weeks ago when I went double my time while installing the headers and had to reschedule our tune appointment (that Tuesday the 11th it was also the middle of a snow storm). We rescheduled for Tuesday the 25th. It turns out AIR and Dyno-Pro are right next door to one another and AIR uses Dyno-Pro's equipment. I showed up a few minutes early and the Dyno-Pro tech thought I was bringing a Porsche. They hooked the Camaro to their dyno and pulled a few times. The Dyno-Pro tech said they were having problems with their equipment and the first run was the only good one. The Porsche showed up on a trailer and the Dyno-Pro guy said they could not get any more HP out of this engine so a custom tune was unnecessary. He printed out the run and agreed he would email me the dyno data. Still no data but it's only been a few days but I did send them an email reminder.

Looking back it seems he wanted to get working on the Porsche. All the time on the dyno neither Clint nor anyone from AIR ever made an appearance.
So from this encounter I would not recommend either AIR (American Intense Racing) nor Dyno-Pro both on Gray St in Arvada, CO.

11-25-2014, 07:53 PM	#18
TwentyTen2SSRS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,974 View My Garage	Why aren't you tuning it? I'm confused. I have similar mods and put 416.5 and consistently 414 whp __________________ Cold Air Inductions CAI • Stainless Power LT's with HFC's • Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back • APEX Scoop and WW Relocation Kit • VMAX Ported Throttle Body • Custom Dyno Tune • Pfadt 1.25" Lowering Springs • ZL1 Rims on 275 front 315 Rear • custome underlay vinyl wrap • Anvil Spoiler • heritage grill • APR Front Splitter • Custom Emblempros emblems • ZL1 Side Skirts • 416.5 whp 410 torque (CURRENTLY) Up Next: BTR Stage 3 Cam and supporting mods (in garage now)

11-25-2014, 08:02 PM	#19
Destructo09 Drives: 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS/LS3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Raleigh-Durham Posts: 1,409	Your going to get a check engine light without a tune.... Also, leaving plenty more HP on the table without the tune. Those are good numbers though for no tune, I dyno'd 393 SAE corrected before my tune. __________________ 2010 2SS BMR 1" Springs Koni Orange struts/shocks 1LE rear sway bar SRP Racing Pedals Hurst Billet short shifter Square tire/wheel setup Elite Engineering Catch Can Stainless Power longtubes/highflow cats K&N Typhoon CAI RPM Motorsports of Garner, NC dyno tune (421 RWHP)

11-25-2014, 08:24 PM	#22
TXLS3 Drives: 11' 2ss/rs ls3 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: houston Posts: 421 View My Garage	I did my headers myself but I have access to a lift and all the tools. It was relatively straight forward but there definitely are some tight spaces when it comes to bolting things down. I'm always impressed by the guys who do it in the driveway with a jack and stands. Also I have the same mods and put down 400hp 398tq with a custom dyno tune. It was 100+ degrees.. Needless to say I'm not pleased with the numbers but I know my tuner is good and the car runs great and pulls hard. but he did recommend switching from 2 1/2" exhaust to 3" and Id probably hit around 410. __________________ LS3.. 1le 3.91 gears \| Gforce tuned 400hp 400tq \| cai inc \| SP 1 7/8" headers \| no cats \| x pipe \| dynomax bullet mufflers \| BMR 1.4" suspension \|

11-25-2014, 08:29 PM	#23
TwentyTen2SSRS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,974 View My Garage	Yeah you will definitely get more out of a good tune! __________________ Cold Air Inductions CAI • Stainless Power LT's with HFC's • Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back • APEX Scoop and WW Relocation Kit • VMAX Ported Throttle Body • Custom Dyno Tune • Pfadt 1.25" Lowering Springs • ZL1 Rims on 275 front 315 Rear • custome underlay vinyl wrap • Anvil Spoiler • heritage grill • APR Front Splitter • Custom Emblempros emblems • ZL1 Side Skirts • 416.5 whp 410 torque (CURRENTLY) Up Next: BTR Stage 3 Cam and supporting mods (in garage now)

11-25-2014, 08:30 PM	#24
TwentyTen2SSRS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,974 View My Garage	I did mine in garage on jack stands. __________________ Cold Air Inductions CAI • Stainless Power LT's with HFC's • Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back • APEX Scoop and WW Relocation Kit • VMAX Ported Throttle Body • Custom Dyno Tune • Pfadt 1.25" Lowering Springs • ZL1 Rims on 275 front 315 Rear • custome underlay vinyl wrap • Anvil Spoiler • heritage grill • APR Front Splitter • Custom Emblempros emblems • ZL1 Side Skirts • 416.5 whp 410 torque (CURRENTLY) Up Next: BTR Stage 3 Cam and supporting mods (in garage now)

11-22-2014, 12:32 AM	#15
jkidcusto Drives: bmw Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: x5 Posts: 4	The passenger side is no breeze but go work on a 4th gen Fbody for a little bit.

11-25-2014, 03:30 PM	#17
MickGIS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Black,White Stripes Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 129	At the tuners today they did a few runs on the dyno then checked the sensor readings from my car and said that the sensor readings were pretty optimal and that they probably could not get much more out of this engine. So the final results were 404.66 WHP / 404.26 RWTQ, not bad for just bolt ons with no tune needed.