Shno's House of Z

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Number 3, I find myself laboring hard, today. Don't take the lack of an immediate detailed response as "apathy". Far from it. In the allocated time I have at this moment, this about all I have to share.............

Just good to hear you are busy. Busy is good.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Very quiet in The House of Z these last many months.

Are we done since the whole Z question that was asked and planted the seed for this thread and now answered?

Or have we just quieted down to a normal level of reasonable topics as they arise?

As I've said, I have always thought it would be difficult to take this thread and keep it relevant and vibrant. And now as we begin turning an eye to the Gen 6 Camaro and all the things that means maybe that is the natural course of things.

That being said, I am encouraged by Reuss's comments on the NG. Although his "it won't weigh more" comment can be taken in a lot of ways, I was most encouraged by the driving experience comments around the SS being similar to the ZL1.

So for me there are several ways to go with the Gen 6 and maintain the current models, but here is my master plan.

LS, 1LT, 2LT, 1SS, 2SS. The Gen 5 launched with a pretty crappy chassis in retrospect. The 1LE is now the chassis that is capable of beating the Mustang GT. I don't think the SS alone does that.

So here is what I would like to see happen.

1 - 1LE is not a model any longer or even an option. It is simply the SS that provides brake and chassis upgrades. I would prefer that it simply be the base car such that Mustang requires their track pack to even keep up with a base Camaro SS.

2 - We've discussed it a bit but I would like to see and LTZ and LTZ RS. That would be a more luxury oriented car with the appearance package. My 2011 Cruze was exactly that, an LTZ RS.

3 - ZL1, simply stated the LT4 in the Gen 6. Suck on that Hellcat!

4 - The key and critical element.................the Z/28. 1st it needs to be more affordable and that may mean copying (ouch) the Mustang strategy of GT350 and GT350 R. I want an LT2 at around the same output as the venerable (a word that barely describes my man love for the LS7) 7.0L monster in the current Gen 5 Z/28. Upgrade the base SS chassis (now 1LE in my plan) and offer it equipped any way you want. Then offer a Z/28 T (Track Spec) with limited content, CC brakes, tires, CF hood, fenders, get this down to a no crap 3500 pounds or less and destroy the world.

Just Saturday morning ramblings.

Good stuff there 3. All that makes perfect sense. LT4 in the Gen 6 would definitely get my attention.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Very quiet in The House of Z these last many months.

Are we done since the whole Z question that was asked and planted the seed for this thread and now answered?

Or have we just quieted down to a normal level of reasonable topics as they arise?

As I've said, I have always thought it would be difficult to take this thread and keep it relevant and vibrant. And now as we begin turning an eye to the Gen 6 Camaro and all the things that means maybe that is the natural course of things.

That being said, I am encouraged by Reuss's comments on the NG. Although his "it won't weigh more" comment can be taken in a lot of ways, I was most encouraged by the driving experience comments around the SS being similar to the ZL1.

So for me there are several ways to go with the Gen 6 and maintain the current models, but here is my master plan.

LS, 1LT, 2LT, 1SS, 2SS. The Gen 5 launched with a pretty crappy chassis in retrospect. The 1LE is now the chassis that is capable of beating the Mustang GT. I don't think the SS alone does that.

So here is what I would like to see happen.

1 - 1LE is not a model any longer or even an option. It is simply the SS that provides brake and chassis upgrades. I would prefer that it simply be the base car such that Mustang requires their track pack to even keep up with a base Camaro SS.

2 - We've discussed it a bit but I would like to see and LTZ and LTZ RS. That would be a more luxury oriented car with the appearance package. My 2011 Cruze was exactly that, an LTZ RS.

3 - ZL1, simply stated the LT4 in the Gen 6. Suck on that Hellcat!

4 - The key and critical element.................the Z/28. 1st it needs to be more affordable and that may mean copying (ouch) the Mustang strategy of GT350 and GT350 R. I want an LT2 at around the same output as the venerable (a word that barely describes my man love for the LS7) 7.0L monster in the current Gen 5 Z/28. Upgrade the base SS chassis (now 1LE in my plan) and offer it equipped any way you want. Then offer a Z/28 T (Track Spec) with limited content, CC brakes, tires, CF hood, fenders, get this down to a no crap 3500 pounds or less and destroy the world.

Just Saturday morning ramblings.

1. I disagree on this point mainly because the base SS will have to leave performance on the table to maintain a reasonable ride for the masses. One of the biggest complaints against the 1LE is the ride being too firm. I drive my 1LE every day and have never once thought the ride was too harsh. My mom loves the way the car drives. Hell, my grandpa who is recovering from back surgery loves it. I believe the 6th gen SS will be a big step forward in performance but leaving out the 1LE option would be a mistake.

2. I think offering a luxury option would be smart as long as stuff like the HUD and track recording system aren't stuck in it.

3. I hope GM puts the LT4 in with its full potential but I have a feeling it will end up detuned.

4. In my opinion, GM set the trend with the Z/28 being the top of the line track car. I don't see how they can offer a lesser version of the Z/28 unless they make the "affordable" Z/28 the 1LE and the all out version the Z/28. People might take offense to the 1LE and Z/28 sharing engines but I don't see how else GM can do it.

[JusticePete]

If I read what Mr. Reuss has said correctly the SS will have MRC so ride quality will not be an issue with a superior performing 6th Gen SS.

[wildpaws]

All forums ebb and flow over time, I think things will pick back up as the 6th gen Camaro gets closer. I think the 5th gen Camaro (and 5th gen Z/28) questions have been pretty much resolved, on to the 6th gen, I'm sure there will be much discussion about the body style selection and various engines and powertrain combinations are "supposed" or revealed. I think the great group of people on this particular thread are here for the long haul, not simply for a quick "shock value" discussion.
Clyde

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

If I read what Mr. Reuss has said correctly the SS will have MRC so ride quality will not be an issue with a superior performing 6th Gen SS.

Which may account for his "hedged" reply regarding weight...and, also, leaves out the 1LE which, other than grippier tires, makes it almost redundant.

An LTZ-type package makes very good sense. It's currently the only potential volume version missing from Gen-5.

ZL1 with LT4 - YES!

Z/28 and Z/28-R - More volume, with option selection, will be the answer to the only question the Gen-5 Z/28 failed to deliver on...entry PRICE.

Well-done ALL, as usual. Thanks for the prod, Number 3!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

...make the "affordable" Z/28 the 1LE and the all out version the Z/28. People might take offense to the 1LE and Z/28 sharing engines but I don't see how else GM can do it.

This^^^. Had the current 1LE been offered with the LS7, that is what I would have bought as I too have a man crush on the LS7. Best engine GM has built to date IMO

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Which may account for his "hedged" reply regarding weight...and, also, leaves out the 1LE which, other than grippier tires, makes it almost redundant.

An LTZ-type package makes very good sense. It's currently the only potential volume version missing from Gen-5.

ZL1 with LT4 - YES!

Z/28 and Z/28-R - More volume, with option selection, will be the answer to the only question the Gen-5 Z/28 failed to deliver on...entry PRICE.

Well-done ALL, as usual. Thanks for the prod, Number 3!

If the base SS comes with MRC, then the 1LE should be like the C6 Grand Sport. It should come with full blown aero, 6 pot brakes up front, forged wheels wrapped in sticky tires, standard Recaros and a dry sump Lt1.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

If the base SS comes with MRC, then the 1LE should be like the C6 Grand Sport. It should come with full blown aero, 6 pot brakes up front, forged wheels wrapped in sticky tires, standard Recaros and a dry sump Lt1.

Sounds suspiciously like a recipe for a "base" Z/28...which, with THAT nameplate, would sell in greater number$ than the 1LE, imvho.

Keep in mind the "possible" starting price point for the "base" GT350. With an AFM-less LT1 (LT2?), and a potential starting price of, oh hell let's just say, $49,995, the sales charts would get "very interesting"! We'll know the TRUE price of the 350 before we see, and "rationalize", a base Z/28 package and number.

[JusticePete]

Because Chevrolet is still selling the 5th Gen, they have not provided the same launch information as they did with the 5th Gen. Without the factory scheduled 'leaks' to create chatter on the forum, there has been limited chatter. When the heavily camo'd 6th Gen pics hit, we had more activity here in the House. Hopefully, we'll be buzzing with all things 6th Gen... soon.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

This^^^. Had the current 1LE been offered with the LS7, that is what I would have bought as I too have a man crush on the LS7. Best engine GM has built to date IMO

My understanding is the LS7 was too expensive to use in the 1LE body. It would have cost the same as the ZL1 but performed worse.

[JusticePete]

A Nissan dealer I know asked me if I could make a Nissan Cube cool. We have one in paint now based on this photochop.



My inspiration.

[2cnd chance]

I've always thought the 2014/15 Z/28 was more of a Z/28-R. A Gen6 Z/28 and Z/28-R is very much like a Corvette Z06 & Z06/07. It would provide a better entry level price-point for Z/28 lovers not serious about tracking and a track weapon for those so inclined. Making a Gen6 1LE is a must as it now has a strong following which continues to grow. It also provides an answer to the Mustang GT and Challenger track packs. The ZL1 also has a strong following and will be needed to compete with the Hell Cat and GT500 (I'm sure we'll see them again). IMO, to keep the Camaro on top these various sub-models are necessary.

[Number 3]

I still want something different than "R". Everyone does that these days.