Camaro SS vs Evo X

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by SSmoked

negative cheif. this site is about the 5th gen camaro. this particular thread that you graced urself with is about the 2010 camaro SS vs the Evolution 10.

why soo much hate in this thread? the muscle head guys are all like " evos are the ricers" and the tuner guys are like "gm almost went backrupt just to build a decent car"

both the evo 10 and camaro ss are EVEN when it comes to performance. and anything anybody else says is total false.
and for everybody calling evos ricers. first off a automobile cant be a ricer. the person who drives the car is the ricer. and secondly next time u refer to a evo as a ricer just remeber that its just as good as ur camaro with 2 more doors. thats right a eco box 4cyl car is just as good as ur big 426hp v8 camaro.

no its really not! j/k

[Kurt_OH]

Those EVOs are amazing cars. Absent specifically wanting a Camaro, shoppers looking for a high $30s performance car would be foolish to not include a stop at a Mitsu dealer. With all that technology, AWD, AYC, Dual Clutch Trans . . . they're sweet. I'd guess on a big (decent size/number of straights) road course, the Camaro might be close; put it in autoX type situations and the big Chevy would get crushed. Same with inclement weather.

Nonetheless, I'm too old for that much of a beating - one mag I read, described the EVO ride as like being in a cookie tin. Plus, I like all that power, and enough handling. Well, almost enough. If I do decide on a Camaro, a suspension mod is high on the list. It needs to get lower, get bigger front tires, and probably firmer springs/larger sway bars.

[Z/28orSs]

i may like the way the evo looks but it stops there. i may be wrong but i feel that most camaro owners dont care about AWD,AYC DUAL clutch . i have not drivin one so i cant say anthing about it, but is sounds like the human is being removed from the driving exp...
wesman is not fool he rasies valid points
"you can fu** a hooker without a condom, But why would you?"
when a Ls'x is out there why would you want something esle

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Those EVOs are amazing cars. Absent specifically wanting a Camaro, shoppers looking for a high $30s performance car would be foolish to not include a stop at a Mitsu dealer. With all that technology, AWD, AYC, Dual Clutch Trans . . . they're sweet. I'd guess on a big (decent size/number of straights) road course, the Camaro might be close; put it in autoX type situations and the big Chevy would get crushed. Same with inclement weather.

Nonetheless, I'm too old for that much of a beating - one mag I read, described the EVO ride as like being in a cookie tin. Plus, I like all that power, and enough handling. Well, almost enough. If I do decide on a Camaro, a suspension mod is high on the list. It needs to get lower, get bigger front tires, and probably firmer springs/larger sway bars.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Z/28orSs

i may like the way the evo looks but it stops there. i may be wrong but i feel that most camaro owners dont care about AWD,AYC DUAL clutch . i have not drivin one so i cant say anthing about it, but is sounds like the human is being removed from the driving exp...
wesman is not fool he rasies valid points
"you can fu** a hooker without a condom, But why would you?"
when a Ls'x is out there why would you want something esle

Valid points are overshadowed by racism and extreme bias... Id say that AWD is subjective, yet the dual clutch is certainly an improvement. No way to argue that.

[Kurt_OH]

It could be that Camaro (how can the spell check on this site not recognize the word "Camaro"?) owners aren't enthralled with all that technology. Perhaps some will remove the airbags, traction control, stability control, fuel injection, A/C, radio and other newfangled gee-whiz fun killing gizmos from their cars also.

Nonetheless, all of that is really cool technology in my book, and I encourage anyone interested in a performance car to check them out, along with the other competition (135i, 370z, Mustangs, Challengers, WRX/STI, Genesis coupe?).

I happen to prefer the reasonable ride, looks, American build and thunder of the Chevy. But it's no slam dunk if you're not a Chevy/American car person.

[matt55]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

It could be that Camaro (how can the spell check on this site not recognize the word "Camaro"?) owners aren't enthralled with all that technology. Perhaps some will remove the airbags, traction control, stability control, fuel injection, A/C, radio and other newfangled gee-whiz fun killing gizmos from their cars also.

Nonetheless, all of that is really cool technology in my book, and I encourage anyone interested in a performance car to check them out, along with the other competition (135i, 370z, Mustangs, Challengers, WRX/STI, Genesis coupe?).

I happen to prefer the reasonable ride, looks, Canadian build and thunder of the Chevy. But it's no slam dunk if you're not a Chevy/Canadian car person.

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[MrIcky]

This is why I don't understand the vs Evo X things on this board. I can completely understand that Evo's have a devoted crowd. There's lots of cool stuff on an Evo. But if Michael Bolton shows up in front of a Metallica crowd- don't expect people to sit around and listen-no matter how talented Michael Bolton may be. That's not putting the Evo down, you just need to play to your audience- and that audience is over at evolutionm.net. If you are trying to convince someone to buy 1 over the other, it's probably not going to be successful on this board.

I will say that the Evo is not a disconnected experience though in the least.

I can't tell if Wesman is making good points or not, I picture him yellin' at all the kids to keep off his lawn while shaking his cane.

[0235th]

Originally Posted by matt55

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Originally Posted by MrIcky

This is why I don't understand the vs Evo X things on this board. I can completely understand that Evo's have a devoted crowd. There's lots of cool stuff on an Evo. But if Michael Bolton shows up in front of a Metallica crowd- don't expect people to sit around and listen-no matter how talented Michael Bolton may be. That's not putting the Evo down, you just need to play to your audience- and that audience is over at evolutionm.net. If you are trying to convince someone to buy 1 over the other, it's probably not going to be successful on this board.

I will say that the Evo is not a disconnected experience though in the least.

I can't tell if Wesman is making good points or not, I picture him yellin' at all the kids to keep off his lawn while shaking his cane.

You have a well written point. I was just defending the Evo from people that are calling it a ricer. I wasnt trying to make people buy it.

[matt55]

Originally Posted by MrIcky

This is why I don't understand the vs Evo X things on this board. I can completely understand that Evo's have a devoted crowd. There's lots of cool stuff on an Evo. But if Michael Bolton shows up in front of a Metallica crowd- don't expect people to sit around and listen-no matter how talented Michael Bolton may be. That's not putting the Evo down, you just need to play to your audience- and that audience is over at evolutionm.net. If you are trying to convince someone to buy 1 over the other, it's probably not going to be successful on this board.

I will say that the Evo is not a disconnected experience though in the least.

I can't tell if Wesman is making good points or not, I picture him yellin' at all the kids to keep off his lawn while shaking his cane.

Not to change anyones mind , but more like know your competition .

And about me poking fun about were the Camaro is made....
Wife is Canadian and the boy is 1/2 !
They make some good stuff up there
For the record , Micheal Bolton is not big on Evom.net

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by matt55

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Good point. Still an American company. If I was deciding based upon company location, I'd pick a Canadian built Camaro over a Louisiana built Toyota.

[Kurt_OH]

Anyway, the main point is: if you want a performance car, but NOT NECESSARILY a Camaro, an Evo is a car you should check if it fits your price range.

I prefer Camaro.

[mrcowboy]

When all else a fails, ask the wife...

Wife talking about;
Evo "Ugly as heck"
Mustang "Looks like a girls car"
Challenger "Looks alright, wait...is that a DODGE?!?" (she hates dodge)
Corvette "You can buy one if you want"
Camaro "I like it more than the corvette"
WRX STI "Isn't that the same thing as the EVO?"
Nissan Z "another girls car"....
Lotus "Looks exotic, if you like it, buy it"

Now I know this is based on the pretense that I actually have to ask for permission in order to buy something...She knows I ask her out of courtesy and will just do whatever I want anyways...

She doesn't know all that much about cars, and could care less about HP, but she represents that cloudy little opinion of the women we wish to impress sometimes LOL

[DGthe3]

WTF? There is a lot of ignorant crap being said here. I'm shocked that in a month and a half, nothing has been said to set anyone straight here or have the thread closed. I'm a lenient guy, so you get 1 shot at being respectful then the thread is closed. Lets start dealing with facts and not the opinions of close minded people shall we? This can be fun since the cars are so different.

Anyway, there has been a fair amount of back and forth about handling vs acceleration here. I'd say that the acceleration advandage that the camaro has, particularly when the car is moving (such as when comming out of a turn at a track) trumps the handling advantage the Evo X has while in those turns. Someone posted that a 360 hp Evo ran 8:17 around the 'ring. A production Camaro is a mere 2s slower.

Slalom, the Evo has a 1-2 mph advantage. Skidpad numbers say the Evo will be able to go an extra 5-6% faster before losing grip. So it might be able to max out at 63-64 mph in a particular turn when the Camaro could manage 60. But on that next straight away, the Camaro has killer mid range acceleration. On a race course, 60-100 mph is a whole lot more important than 1/4 mile trap speed or 0-60 times. In the Mitsu, it takes 8-9s (depends on trim level) for 60-100 vs around 6 in the SS. Heading into the next turn, its nearly a wash because both post similar braking numbers though the Camaro has a slight advantage.

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

WTF? There is a lot of ignorant crap being said here. I'm shocked that in a month and a half, nothing has been said to set anyone straight here or have the thread closed. I'm a lenient guy, so you get 1 shot at being respectful then the thread is closed. Lets start dealing with facts and not the opinions of close minded people shall we? This can be fun since the cars are so different.

Anyway, there has been a fair amount of back and forth about handling vs acceleration here. I'd say that the acceleration advandage that the camaro has, particularly when the car is moving (such as when comming out of a turn at a track) trumps the handling advantage the Evo X has while in those turns. Someone posted that a 360 hp Evo ran 8:17 around the 'ring. A production Camaro is a mere 2s slower.

Slalom, the Evo has a 1-2 mph advantage. Skidpad numbers say the Evo will be able to go an extra 5-6% faster before losing grip. So it might be able to max out at 63-64 mph in a particular turn when the Camaro could manage 60. But on that next straight away, the Camaro has killer mid range acceleration. On a race course, 60-100 mph is a whole lot more important than 1/4 mile trap speed or 0-60 times. In the Mitsu, it takes 8-9s (depends on trim level) for 60-100 vs around 6 in the SS. Heading into the next turn, its nearly a wash because both post similar braking numbers though the Camaro has a slight advantage.

Well this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of situation. There aren't a lot of people here who can set up a personal race between the two in a road course. If you use magazines you are accused of bench racing. None of the nut-swinging (this is my new favorite word) here takes into account real world acceleration. If I want to go bench racing even your numbers are off.

.88 g vs .94-.97 skidpad which is closer to 7-10%.

The slalom course has the Mitsu as high as 71.7 which is damned high, supercar territory.

The DC-SST is insanely fast shifting.

Also, in the Mitsu you have a vehicle designed for a specific racing class with a 2liter engine limited to 300 hp. So you take this car with a 2liter and then you suddenly open up its competition to unlimited engine size and it still keeps up or better in everything but a straight line. I used to short-change Mitsus too until I realized how specific the design is.

You guys know me, I've been on this board for months and I'm a Camaro fanboy- but: Considering that the Camaro had no constraints at all you'd think it would have laid waste to the Evo.

So with this being the 3rd of 4th Camaro Vs Evo X topic, I can honestly say none have them have progressed the debate any further. They are just different cars with different goals. I like the Camaro better because I think it's a better all around car and it's beautiful. The Evo is more focused and ugly.