This is how Chevy treats my $45,000 "track ready" car

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by 90503

I wouldn't bet the farm on this but here goes....

Racing, and Competitive Driving are different than Tracking...lol....

Track events which most of us are used to are also called HPDEs...High Performance Driver Education....You can drive with an instructor, then by yourself with no passing, etc.,

Racing and Competitions would entail receiving a trophy, being paid to drive..lol..., receiving prize money or competition type points working up to some sort of "win"...

Tracking is just enjoying your car, improving your driving skills, etc....

We all use the terms synonymously, perhaps to our detriment at the service center, but it may be a fine line perhaps, but I do believe there is a difference...

The only common denominator is the interpretation of "abuse"....

Hope this adds to the arguing and confusion....lol...

Again, its pretty clear to me.

[White_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by gajagfan

Why is it a joke? You got a very capable car for $20K (if you got a 1SS) less than a ZL1. And most likely, if you don't drive like an idiot, you will have no issues, and you still have an extra $20K in your pocket. I will also bet that if you toast the ZL1 engine and they can tell that it was over revved multiple times, you are on your own. Track use vs abuse are still two different things.

This^^ and the dealer just assumed!

[Nor Cal ZL1]

Originally Posted by White_SS/RS

Whos to says his clutch failed because he tracked the car, it was an assumption by the dealer, especially when people are having the problem without ever tracking it. It's like saying, "your car was tracked -no warranty- EVER", and that statement isn't true. GM told him he still has a warranty. Bottom line the clutch system is a problem in these cars -it should be fixed!

The dealer f-ed up here! They should have just started the work, if they came to find out the clutch was burned up and it effected the rest of the system then the OP's on the hook, but they just staight up denied it based on rubber stuck to the wheels. The dealer lost either way you look at it. They lost the warranty work or they lost the work that the OP would have paid on if it truly was abuse. Its money that the dealer never gets and they lost at least one customer in the process.

I agree with this. The original dealer could not have come to the root cause of the issue in the posted diagnostic time frame. They took the easy way out and the OP got hosed in the process. I would expect a teardow and inspection. If it were the syncros I would except that I damaged them and have them replaced. It it was hydraulic that is not acceptable in that amount of miles. If the hydraulics were the root cause of syncro damage that is another bag of worms. Without a teardow and inspection to OP went to a crappy dealer.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal ZL1

I agree with this. The original dealer could not have come to the root cause of the issue in the posted diagnostic time frame. They took the easy way out and the OP got hosed in the process. I would expect a teardow and inspection. If it were the syncros I would except that I damaged them and have them replaced. It it was hydraulic that is not exceptable in that amount of miles. If the hydraulics were the root cause of syncro damage that is another bag of worms. Without a teardow and inspection to OP went to a crappy dealer.

Yeah, this seems to be part of the "problem" when it comes to the dealers....Some are more reasonable than others when it comes to determining what went wrong....My guess is that the dealers who automatically deny a claim have already gone around and around with this issue before, and have found, like many here, that there really is no solution....

Other here have had some dealers actually work with them, including installing aftermarket parts, to resolve the repair, whether tracked or not...

That is one of the biggest factors here....The seeming inconsistencies of different dealers actions regarding a "possible" warranty claim...

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

Again, its pretty clear to me.

Post# 183: this concerns the initial bumper to bumper "new car warranty", and don't believe it applies to powertrain, etc???

I don't have the manual with me right now.

We have to be careful with the key words.

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

Like I said, this has really got my interest.

So I was unable to sleep last night, like usual, and I wanted to actually look at the "fine print" that GM uses. I don't know about you, or anybody else, but I never actually read a warranty card, nor did I every, actually read through my owners manual. Not once, out of the last three new GM vehicles, two cars and a Truck, have I actually read them. Also I might add that I never insisted on reading them BEFORE I bought them.

I was hoping to find more, maybe I didn't look hard enough or long enough or in the right places, but all I could find was the basic warranty card for GM vehicles that covers the Chevy Volt and Duramax diesel engine power plants.

I figured with the Z/28 on the market I would find something even more specific to that. I could not. So take what I say and post with a grain of salt, truth is, i'm not very good at searching and I am frequently wrong.

So because I couldn't find anything, I went direct to GM's website and into owners manual, then to the warranty card sections. I assumed that the warranty cards would be as model specific as the owners manual was. Not what I found.

post#161: the key word here is MAY affect vehicle warranty

[Billy10mm]

Originally Posted by Jc's1LE

Ok I guess i wont be going down to sebring track i need to upgrade to a zl1 WHAT A JOKE !

No. A ZL1 won't fare any better in a warranty situation than a 1LE will. Nor will a Z/28. Nor will a 911 GT3 or a 911 GT3RS. Nor will a lotus Exige. Nor will a Ferrari 458. Nor will a GT-R Nismo edition.

NO MANUFACTURER warranty's anything that breaks on the track. None. Stop thinking they should. They won't. It doesn't matter that your car is "track oriented" or "track ready". It's abuse. As someone else already mentioned, if you take a Land Rover or Jeep off-road and break an axle .... they ARE NOT FIXING IT UNDER WARRANTY.

No manufacturer can build a car that I can't break. None. I can snap a drive shaft if I find the right conditions to induce wheel hop. I can break axles with a good red-line clutch dump and some slicks. I can destroy a clutch in a matter of minutes if I feel like it. I see people doing this constantly without trying, so I'm sure I can do it if I want to. Putting people in a situation where they don't need to obey the laws of the road, gives them a greater propensity to abuse the car. Manufacturers/dealerships see abuse or incorrect driving habits constantly. This is their protection.

OP. If you truly did nothing wrong to your transmission and if this problem is not related to your track use, then I'm very sorry that you are going through what you're going through. GM is saying that your dealership is the one who believes the track abuse has caused this issue. So if I'm you, I go try a few more dealerships. Be nice and ask someone to show you how your "abuse" caused this issue.

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

Post# 183: this concerns the initial bumper to bumper "new car warranty", and don't believe it applies to powertrain, etc???

I don't have the manual with me right now.


We have to be careful with the key words.

Falls under bumper to bumper no? I posted the manual link and warranty card link, at least what I found from GM on their website. I had not considered them to be separate, just one and after time apart from each other once time expires. However I only know what I have read in a short amount of time, and wont pretend to know more than that.

Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

post#161: the key word here is MAY affect vehicle warranty

If you notice the wording all over that document, they basically say that they can really do what they want..."case-by-case" to their discretion.

[JR 1]

Originally Posted by backeddy

Thanks, I will give them a call, however the letter I received was from GM, not the dealer....

I agree with others that you should try a recommended dealer. Sure GM sent the letter, but a good dealer can sometimes write up a problem in a way that will get it covered. You really don't have anything to lose by trying. As others have also said, this would be a one time fix at best. If you plan to keep taking the car to the track you might as well just start upgrading now.

[cornerspeed92]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=1#post8171837
Post #422

[White_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=1#post8171837
Post #422

post #422 from thead link above

Originally Posted by cornerspeed92

I got to check out baby today. Everything is in absolute perfect condition, there is no wear on the clutch either. The service manager told me i obviously know how to drive and if he didn't know me and someone asked him if this car had been tracked he would have to say no. He has a call out to the field engineer again to say now what? This is the same guy who said this is caused by not using (post 211)launch control...in roadracing-sigh! So now what, nothing needs to be replaced. I couldn't get any pictures he asked me not to, but like i say, nothing to show, it was in pristine condition.

Clutch is good, actuating (hydraulic) system is not! Cornerspeed, I know you were going to upgrade the the master and slave, do you think they will warranty the labor on this issue and install your items?

[backeddy]

If you plan to keep taking the car to the track you might as well just start upgrading now.

I think this is what I am going to do, not because it is what I wanted to do, but out of necessity and the desire to not crash and die from a transmission failure at 115mph. Although I created a shitstorm of opinions on both sides of aisle, I hope this thread made everyone take pause and re-examine their cars/GM.I learned do not ASSUME ANYTHING with warranty issues and GM. In the end it really is sad that they wheel around the "abuse" club and use it without cause, just because they can. So now do I want to build my engine or add forced induction.....

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by backeddy

I think this is what I am going to do, not because it is what I wanted to do, but out of necessity and the desire to not crash and die from a transmission failure at 115mph. Although I created a shitstorm of opinions on both sides of aisle, I hope this thread made everyone take pause and re-examine their cars/GM.I learned do not ASSUME ANYTHING with warranty issues and GM. In the end it really is sad that they wheel around the "abuse" club and use it without cause, just because they can. So now do I want to build my engine or add forced induction.....

I hate to say thank you for this, Its unfortunate for you, I did however learn a sh!t ton of information, and completely understand how you must have felt. While I have my opinion now, I would have been in your shoes for not researching the warranty card or owners manual.

[Cooley]

If you look on youtube, you should be able to find the announcement from the last camarofest. I also believe there is a link to it hidden somewhere in this thread.

The way I remember the announcement, the warranty coverage for the Z28, ZL1 and 1LE are the same for track use.