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*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-08-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

The 1LE is basically what GM learned after making the SS. It was a package that only existed because GM could do better. It's what the SS was supposed to be. GM, having learned these lessons with the 1LE, will probably implement them right away with the next Camaro SS. If a 1LE exists in the 6th generation, it will be a whole different track machine.

I don't think you're far off....check this quote out from the last Camaro Six press release:

"We kept the cornering confidence and control that make the Gen 5 Camaro 1LE so fun to drive, and added a greater sense of agility,” he said. “The new Camaro brakes harder, flicks into corners more quickly, and drives out of the corner faster. We expect it will set the benchmark in the segment and give many sports cars a challenge.”

He didn't say ZL1...or reference the existing "base model". The truly "fun" driving experience that the 1LE offers is second-to-none in the segment, certainly for the price point.

And I've heard it whispered on multiple occasions that the 1LE is "what the SS should have been." But there was always the concern for the buyer that likes a soft, cushy ride.

Well...I can see these ironing out one of two ways. Either A, they expect the new SS buyer to suck it up and get used to a stiffer ride (it's really not that bad, at all), or B, they utilize Mag Ride as standard equipment to keep the masses comfy.

Don't forget, either - these people building the car are fresh off the Z/28 engineering project. In terms of driving dynamic and "feel" (forget power for a moment), there was the SS...then there was the ZL1, a great improvement. Then they hit the sweet spot with the 1LE, and everyone loved it. THEN...they put the 1LE formula on steroids and came out with the Z/28. Which again, everyone loved. It feels...perfect. Now these same engineers are working on the Six.

At any rate - I think we can expect the new SS to pick up right where the 5th-gen 1LE left off. That's my opinion, only.

Will there be another 1LE or track package to ramp it up even further? Wouldn't that be fun?

gajagfan · 04-08-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiteboarder85

I think it will just be an option like it is today.

I agree with this, just feel the option will be available right off the bat.

skidawgz · 04-08-2015, 01:09 PM

First, OP... can you sell me your car?

Next, I agree with the statement that the 1LE is what GM learned with the SS. Some elements are not ideal for a DD Camaro. However, similar to the new Z06 and the outgoing ZR1, I think you will see many 1LE elements on the next Camaro. There may be some Z28 elements on the next 1LE.

ST1LE · 04-08-2015, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

At any rate - I think we can expect the new SS to pick up right where the 5th-gen 1LE left off. That's my opinion, only.

I agree 100%!

krisprz2010camaross · 04-08-2015, 02:38 PM

I think gm will have a 1le for the 6th Gen but maybe not right away, but I could be wrong. However I do think they will release the 1le package for automatics because it will reach out to different/more people.

markgws6 · 04-08-2015, 03:25 PM

When I test drove a standard SS in early 2013, it sucked. The only thing that did not suck, was the power. It was a 6 speed manual car. The suspension was "soft". The steering felt vague... It was a loaded 2SS, with a sunroof so it probably weighed more than my current car.

I have no doubt these issues will be addressed in the 6th gen. Don't forget the SS is the performance model of the Camaro. LT and LS are standard models. and there will even be a 4 cylinder too. Then of course later on a ZL1 and Z/28. This is a profound statement but I'll say it. They may not do a 1LE. If the new SS is really good, and it beats most competitors on-track, there is no reason to improve it, until a new Z/28 comes out.

krisprz2010camaross · 04-08-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by markgws6

and there will even be a 4 cylinder too.

No. I remember reading or seeing(I forget it was about a year or 2 ago) an interview that one of the people who work at gm or chevy said there will never be a 4 cylinder in a camaro. Just because the mustang now has a 4 cylinder turbo option doesn't mean that Chevy would do that. Look at Dodge they didn't and they knew that Ford was already coming out with a 4 cylinder before they released new models of the challenger and charger. So I doubt it.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-08-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by krisprz2010camaross

No. I remember reading or seeing(I forget it was about a year or 2 ago) an interview that one of the people who work at gm or chevy said there will never be a 4 cylinder in a camaro. Just because the mustang now has a 4 cylinder turbo option doesn't mean that Chevy would do that. Look at Dodge they didn't and they knew that Ford was already coming out with a 4 cylinder before they released new models of the challenger and charger. So I doubt it.

There will be a 4 cylinder. That article you're referencing was at best a rumor-piece, assuming facts based on off-the-record comments. No truth, there.

Dodge continues to build massively heavy cars...a 4-cylinder won't have enough punch to do anything. Chevy evaluated using a 4 cylinder engine in the 5th-generation car. It didn't make sense with the size and weight of the car. But the next car is getting lighter...

So if Mustang does it...and the Cadillac ATS does it...and the new car is getting lighter...you better bet there'll be a 4-banger Camaro. That doesn't mean it'll suck though. Should be interesting.

Chris1SS1LE · 04-08-2015, 08:23 PM

But a car company can't have all kinds of packages at the get go, so just like the 2010-2015 it took a few years to get to ZL1, 1LE, Z28, etc

Ford is dropping the GT350 and R in a year because they need a true 1LE beater GT350 and Z28 Beater GT350R.

Plus you need a year or two to work the bugs out of a new platform.

backeddy · 04-08-2015, 10:42 PM

I expect to see no 1LE until year 3...Like another poster said, it takes a while to iron out real world issues.

Camaro Dude · 04-09-2015, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris1SS1LE

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Plus you need a year or two to work the bugs out of a new platform.

EXACTLY, and precisely why I never buy first year anything due to teething issues, the stats on many makes of cars is there to prove the last 2 decades on how it works.

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Originally Posted by backeddy

I expect to see no 1LE until year 3...Like another poster said, it takes a while to iron out real world issues.

Yup

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Originally Posted by Kiteboarder85

I don't buy this. The 1LE is not the 'new' SS because they figured out they could do better. The 1LE was made for an entry level track car. It is DEFINITELY not built for the ordinary SS driver that likes a smooth soft ride.

A couple of mods make a couple of interesting points to debate your view, but let's face it, will an entry level SS have G2 track tires? Nope.

So def yes and no, question is, will new suspension design overshadow all else and supersede even previous 1LE with new base SS?

We can only speculate, but stock for stock, I'll put my money on previous 1LE with small edge on performance due to tire and overall track tuned suspension vs street.

RaceAir · 04-09-2015, 09:48 AM

After seeing the number of existing Gen 5 owners (V6 & V8 alike) who traded to a 1LE, Chevy would be fools to debut a 1LE model in year one of the Gen 6. Also, as stated earlier, it takes a year or two to improve and benchmark the competition properly. The Gen 5 1LE would not have been the Boss Laguna Seca killer it turned out to be without some serious engineering. And that takes time.

ASimmons04 · 04-09-2015, 09:28 PM

GM would be foolish not to offer the 1LE in the 6th Gen. Even if the new Camaro handles and drives a lot better, you have that group of people who want a more track oriented ("drivers") car. I test drove a 2SS 6 speed and was disappointed in the way the car felt. It was mushy feeling. I have yet to test drive a 1LE since no dealerships in my area seem to think anyone would want one, but every review I've read about the 1LE praises the car.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-09-2015, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ASimmons04

GM would be foolish not to offer the 1LE in the 6th Gen. Even if the new Camaro handles and drives a lot better, you have that group of people who want a more track oriented ("drivers") car. I test drove a 2SS 6 speed and was disappointed in the way the car felt. It was mushy feeling. I have yet to test drive a 1LE since no dealerships in my area seem to think anyone would want one, but every review I've read about the 1LE praises the car.

YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN ONE!!!

It's a completely different beast.

04-08-2015, 02:38 PM	#19
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04-08-2015, 03:25 PM	#20
markgws6 Drives: 2019 Chevy Equinox Premier AWD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 1,344 View My Garage	When I test drove a standard SS in early 2013, it sucked. The only thing that did not suck, was the power. It was a 6 speed manual car. The suspension was "soft". The steering felt vague... It was a loaded 2SS, with a sunroof so it probably weighed more than my current car. I have no doubt these issues will be addressed in the 6th gen. Don't forget the SS is the performance model of the Camaro. LT and LS are standard models. and there will even be a 4 cylinder too. Then of course later on a ZL1 and Z/28. This is a profound statement but I'll say it. They may not do a 1LE. If the new SS is really good, and it beats most competitors on-track, there is no reason to improve it, until a new Z/28 comes out. __________________ 2013 AGM 1SS/1LE, NPP, Camera (1 of 43)

04-08-2015, 01:09 PM	#17
skidawgz Drives: 2004 Mustang v6 w/m112 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: NJ, US Posts: 47	First, OP... can you sell me your car? Next, I agree with the statement that the 1LE is what GM learned with the SS. Some elements are not ideal for a DD Camaro. However, similar to the new Z06 and the outgoing ZR1, I think you will see many 1LE elements on the next Camaro. There may be some Z28 elements on the next 1LE.

04-08-2015, 08:23 PM	#23
Chris1SS1LE Drives: 2014 Camaro Red Hot 1LE NPP Recaro Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Indiana Posts: 639	But a car company can't have all kinds of packages at the get go, so just like the 2010-2015 it took a few years to get to ZL1, 1LE, Z28, etc Ford is dropping the GT350 and R in a year because they need a true 1LE beater GT350 and Z28 Beater GT350R. Plus you need a year or two to work the bugs out of a new platform.

04-08-2015, 10:42 PM	#24
backeddy Banned Drives: 2011 Boxster Spyder (best car ever) Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,529	I expect to see no 1LE until year 3...Like another poster said, it takes a while to iron out real world issues.

04-09-2015, 09:48 AM	#26
RaceAir Drives: 2013 SS 1LE w/RS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 84	After seeing the number of existing Gen 5 owners (V6 & V8 alike) who traded to a 1LE, Chevy would be fools to debut a 1LE model in year one of the Gen 6. Also, as stated earlier, it takes a year or two to improve and benchmark the competition properly. The Gen 5 1LE would not have been the Boss Laguna Seca killer it turned out to be without some serious engineering. And that takes time.

04-09-2015, 09:28 PM	#27
ASimmons04 Drives: 2015 AGM 2SS RS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: South Carolina Posts: 367	GM would be foolish not to offer the 1LE in the 6th Gen. Even if the new Camaro handles and drives a lot better, you have that group of people who want a more track oriented ("drivers") car. I test drove a 2SS 6 speed and was disappointed in the way the car felt. It was mushy feeling. I have yet to test drive a 1LE since no dealerships in my area seem to think anyone would want one, but every review I've read about the 1LE praises the car.