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Old 04-27-2015, 10:10 AM   #71
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I see assholes like this pickup driver in NY all the time. Driving around on these roads with a false sense of entitlement and it makes me angry as hell. Pushing people to the edge is what they do.
I'm sorry, but I see WAY more sense of entitlement in the Camaro driver than the pickup truck driver. Just because he's in a Camaro (or any fast car) doesn't make the highway his own personal Nurburgring.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:18 AM   #72
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Stop hypothetically justifying citizen policing of the roads. It's a slippery slope.
A) Camaro driver makes bad choice of tail gating pick up driver.
B) This ticks off the pick up driver, so he stays next to trucker," I'll show you".
C) Camaro makes the worst possible choice and causes wreck.

If camaro driver doesn't do A, pickup driver doesn't do B, and C never happens. I can't really blame the pickup driver. If I see someone coming up that wants to speed ahead, I will typically let them around, and use them as my radar detector. But if they choose to tailgate me for a mile, they going to get sunburned from my brake lights. I can't stand that cr#p.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:22 AM   #73
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Guy in truck was an azzhat, clearly no one in front of him at time of crash and like some others posted, who knows how long he had been doing that? Camaro driver was an azzhat for passing on the shoulder, actually might have made it had he just used the shoulder but he put one side in the median grass which was even more stupid.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:36 AM   #74
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Way to go about ruining Camaro owners' names.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:38 AM   #75
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Is anyone surprised by this? I would be, if it was in Europe, as in Europe they actually make people learn how to drive before giving them a license... but not in America. As long as you have a slight idea of what the Gas, Break, and Steering Wheel do... here's your license and off you go!

I see horrible driving like this everyday... on city streets, on the highways, everywhere. There is no teaching or enforcing of driving laws anymore. My city, that needs revenue badly, could make a fortune if they would put their police on traffic duty.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:39 AM   #76
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A) Camaro driver makes bad choice of tail gating pick up driver.
B) This ticks off the pick up driver, so he stays next to trucker," I'll show you".
C) Camaro makes the worst possible choice and causes wreck.
Text-book description of contributing to the accident.

Same form as a Pedestrian is jaywalking and hit by a car driving recklessly. Pedestrian contributed to the accident just like the pickup driver did.

If the pickup-truck didn't do what they did no accident would have occurred same as the pedestrian in my example.

Heck I would have closed ranks myself and kept from being cut-off, then I would have passed the semi when I could and moved over and let the asshat go on his way...

Roadrage takes two to tango.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:39 AM   #77
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That is correct, when you're not abiding to road rules just to get back at some jerk you have a false sense of entitlement. Left lane is passing lane if youre not using it to pass move over to the right traffic lane.
Left lane passing only laws are not necessarily applicable on all stretches. My experience, is that it is posted and enforced in rural stretches when the speed limit is increased.

We also do not have a right to tailgate, or antagonize these drivers either way. Sure, life would have been much easier if the guy would've just got ahead of the truck and moved over, I agree. Was he a jerk for blocking the Camaro driver, eh, maybe. However, I don't really blame him, the Camaro driver was riding is a## the whole time, what do you expect? If the Camaro driver takes it easy, the pick up driver moves up and over like he was probably going to do anyway, and everyone drives on to happy destiny or speeding ticket, whichever.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:42 AM   #78
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everyone in this video got what they deserved, any one of the three could have stopped this.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:50 AM   #79
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Text-book description of contributing to the accident.

Same form as a Pedestrian is jaywalking and hit by a car driving recklessly. Pedestrian contributed to the accident just like the pickup driver did.

If the pickup-truck didn't do what they did no accident would have occurred same as the pedestrian in my example.

Heck I would have closed ranks myself and kept from being cut-off, then I would have passed the semi when I could and moved over and let the asshat go on his way...

Roadrage takes two to tango.
Nice look up on Wiki, but I don't believe it applies. The pickup driver was not breaking any law, (in your jaywalking example, remember the jaywalker is breaking a law). Some have mentioned the left lane passing law. What we don't know is if it was applicable here. Evidence would suggest not since our dash cam driver was also in the left lane, and no one was in a hurry to pass the tractor trailor. Furthermore, even if it was, the pickup was still next to the tractor and not clear to move over. WE also do not know the posted limit, or how fast they were actually going. If, for example, the posted limit was 65, and the tractor was doing 65, the pickup was not illegally driving in the left lane.

Regardless, all of that went out the window when the Camaro driver decided to use the grass median as a passing lane. At that very moment complete liability fell upon him like the volcanic ash of Pompea.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:55 AM   #80
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everyone in this video got what they deserved, any one of the three could have stopped this.
Agreed.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:59 AM   #81
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After looking at this a few more times guys I'm sorry, the pickup driver should be arrested and or heavily fined. He was clearly antagonizing the situation, the trucker needs a harsh ass chewing as well. The camaro driver deserves a ticket (as someone else stated). The pickup was obviously playing police and got what he asked for.
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:59 AM   #82
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I like how all the finger pointing towards the pickup driver completely ignores how the Camaro literally ran him off the road to start the whole thing. Ran him off the road.

Camaro driver is 100% at fault, and not only should have to pay all insurance claims, but should also have his/her license revoked as well as being jailed for reckless driving and reckless endangerment with a deadly vehicle. First, that person forces the pickup off the road, and then attempts to pass on the median, clipping a car when merging back in. Impressively dangerous and stupid.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:08 AM   #83
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I like how all the finger pointing towards the pickup driver completely ignores how the Camaro literally ran him off the road to start the whole thing. Ran him off the road.
This is debatable at best. Camaro asshole tries to cut over, probably has room (all-be-it not nearly enough to be considered safe), and pick up guy speeds up to close the gap instigating the entire situation.

A wise person once taught me that when driving, the only person who makes the asshole cutting you off an asshole is you inside your own head.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:11 AM   #84
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I like how all the finger pointing towards the pickup driver completely ignores how the Camaro literally ran him off the road to start the whole thing. Ran him off the road.

Camaro driver is 100% at fault, and not only should have to pay all insurance claims, but should also have his/her license revoked as well as being jailed for reckless driving and reckless endangerment with a deadly vehicle. First, that person forces the pickup off the road, and then attempts to pass on the median, clipping a car when merging back in. Impressively dangerous and stupid.


Also lol at blaming the semi driver. Lots of experts on big trucks around here. You guys do know those things are almost all speed governed, right? Typically to 60-65 depending on the carrier? I doubt he was sandbagging just to box in somebody he probably didn't even see.


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But if they choose to tailgate me for a mile, they going to get sunburned from my brake lights.
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