Range AFM Delete Question?

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by qcman

Thx for all of the replies. Seems it is still a bit hit or miss on the update quality. I'll let it run for a while and see if it keeps acting up. Drove her tonight and was fine. As noted above I did restart the car once right away which may have aggravated things a bit. Would love to tune it out too but bye bye warranty so this will have to do. On the whole its been a worthwhile addition just a bit tedious when it lights everything up.....

Do you leave the Range plugged in all the time?

[qcman]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Do you leave the Range plugged in all the time?

Yes Palmer pretty much except if the car will sit for more than 3 days then I remove it as I know it can cause the battery to drain down some. Overall its been fine just 2 instances of codes this week for some reason.

More annoying than anything....

[13BRM2SSRS]

I've had the same issues. They swapped the first Range unit I bought due to thes issues. The new one wthey sent was ok for a few months but then several times in a week the car wouldn't start and had the Service power steering on dic, pulled the Range and car started, plugged it back in hot and it was ok. Then a few days later it did it again pulled the Range, car started but still had the power steering on dic, had to drive that way but the next startup it was gone. I agree love the Range but these issues a pissing me off!!! Tempted to get a tune and be done with this crap.

[Guelphguy]

Yes, I too have a 2013 - 2SS, had my range plugged in for several months. Suddenly I started to get all the CEL's and the car wouldn't start....I had it towed to the dealer once, it was late at night, quickly stopped by in the morning and pulled my range. They came back saying they could not find the problem but there were 12 communication code failures.
After getting back, that weekend I was on the Range site as I started to get suspicious, read the warning for 14-15 models and realized it was exactly the same errors that I was receiving on my 13.
Now, I live in Canada, Ontario, so not so easy for me to pay for shipping back and forth to have it reprogrammed...
I think that's total BS! I might just sell the damn thing and take my loss.

[Guelphguy]

Oh and from what I read, after the updated firmware some people still have this happen??? I would really be upset then, don't think I'll bother

[qcman]

Originally Posted by Guelphguy

Yes, I too have a 2013 - 2SS, had my range plugged in for several months. Suddenly I started to get all the CEL's and the car wouldn't start....I had it towed to the dealer once, it was late at night, quickly stopped by in the morning and pulled my range. They came back saying they could not find the problem but there were 12 communication code failures.
After getting back, that weekend I was on the Range site as I started to get suspicious, read the warning for 14-15 models and realized it was exactly the same errors that I was receiving on my 13.
Now, I live in Canada, Ontario, so not so easy for me to pay for shipping back and forth to have it reprogrammed...
I think that's total BS! I might just sell the damn thing and take my loss.

Same here I'm in Ottawa so shipping is not convenient either. Seeing as the update can still cause an issue I'm going to stick with what I have for now... Mine has always started after any glitch thankfully though. And it has always cleared the codes pretty much right away too.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by qcman

Yes Palmer pretty much except if the car will sit for more than 3 days then I remove it as I know it can cause the battery to drain down some. Overall its been fine just 2 instances of codes this week for some reason.

More annoying than anything....

Yeah... okay. Just checking. That's what I do with mine as well. I thought maybe unplugging/plugging in excessively may cause a problem. I'm stumped.

This is all very odd. I was the first one on this site to get one and (other than the battery drain if left plugged in and not started over four days or so) I have had zero issues.

[qcman]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Yeah... okay. Just checking. That's what I do with mine as well. I thought maybe unplugging/plugging in excessively may cause a problem. I'm stumped.

This is all very odd. I was the first one on this site to get one and (other than the battery drain if left plugged in and not started over four days or so) I have had zero issues.

Thx for checking.... It really has been pretty good so it just may be a fluke thing this week... I have removed it other times more often due to not driving the car enough but even after say 3 days the battery seemed virtually the same. I'm sure I could go more than that just leery of it is all...

[Botrod]

Sorry for reviving a months old thread but I'm having issues and guessing reading this it is related the range. Has anyone had issues of the car not starting at all? Sounds like one person did. I had this happen the other day and just out of the blue decided to wiggle the range and it let the car start but had all kinds of error lights on. I've removed the device altogether but hate driving it now hahah.

[Low Saturn]

Originally Posted by Botrod

Sorry for reviving a months old thread but I'm having issues and guessing reading this it is related the range. Has anyone had issues of the car not starting at all? Sounds like one person did. I had this happen the other day and just out of the blue decided to wiggle the range and it let the car start but had all kinds of error lights on. I've removed the device altogether but hate driving it now hahah.

Yep. It's happened to me twice in about a year. No big deal. Just unplug it, reset the codes and plug it back in. I heard the latest firmware pretty much eliminates those issues. They'll update it for free, instructions are on their website. I really should have mine updated.

[qcman]

Originally Posted by Botrod

Sorry for reviving a months old thread but I'm having issues and guessing reading this it is related the range. Has anyone had issues of the car not starting at all? Sounds like one person did. I had this happen the other day and just out of the blue decided to wiggle the range and it let the car start but had all kinds of error lights on. I've removed the device altogether but hate driving it now hahah.

yup that would be it. I gave up the ghost and had the car remote tuned and AFM is long gone... I should have just done this from the getgo and skipped the Range altogether. Oh well lesson learned Usually though if you remove and shut the car off for 2-3 minutes it will fire right up and be fine. It can be embarrassing though. I went to start the car recently in front of my ex-wife who called it my penis car lol and it wouldn't turn over... Had to unplug and wait...Pissed me off haha

[SuperStock]

Originally Posted by Botrod

Sorry for reviving a months old thread but I'm having issues and guessing reading this it is related the range. Has anyone had issues of the car not starting at all? Sounds like one person did. I had this happen the other day and just out of the blue decided to wiggle the range and it let the car start but had all kinds of error lights on. I've removed the device altogether but hate driving it now hahah.

I actually believe I had the same issue this week. On Tuesday my car didn't start right away. It eventually started and about half way to work it threw a service stabilitrak and another CEL. My transmission wouldn't shift and it felt like I was losing torque. Luckily there is a dealership on the way to work. I pulled my range AFM when I got to the dealership and dropped the car off. Originally the tech said the transmission was "gutted" and may need to be rebuilt. THe next day he changed his story and said there was a rev code where the car was revved higher than 6,200RPMs. I'm thinking that my range device caused that issue. I have used it fine for the past 2 months until this week. Im somewhat scared to use it even after I have the firmware updated...

[yescats]

Originally Posted by Cars and Tea

I recently got the update they claim is flawless for anything pre-2014.

I have a 2013. Still throws codes.

Am I happy with the product? YES.

Is there flawless claim BS? YES.

Here's some answers they gave to me a couple of weeks ago. When I asked the more difficult questions about their statement of it not being detectable, "Any reports to the contrary can be attributed to a technician having a deeper understanding of AFM/OBD-II technology." They never answered me. "Deeper understanding"??? Wouldn't a GM Tech have that "deeper understanding"? Come to think of it Diablo says their tuner doesn't leave a footprint either.

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I've read some reviews that said your device will kill the battery if the car sits for more than a few days. It also can throw various codes.

1) Would you say those complaints are still coming up or have you solved those problems?

2) Is there a money back warranty?

3) I saw only one individual say the dealer detected something weird on the ECM's memory. Is there a possibility of voiding the warranty?

Thanks,



Thank you for contacting us!

In regards to your questions;

1) Battery: Range recommends removing the Disabler module if the vehicle is not a daily driver and will sit for more than 3 to 4 days in a row.

This is because that in conjunction WITH other vehicle option’s modules (there are several options that continually draw power from the battery even if the vehicle is completely shut off) there may by weak or no charge. The module alone does not use enough power to cause a battery issue but we have received reports from the field of this occurring, typically with 2013-2015 Camaro’s and Corvette’s although Range applies the battery draw warning to all vehicles.

Any reports of a battery issue occurring nowadays can simply be attributed to missed instruction. It is not an issue Range can prevent since it occurs in partner with the vehicle’s other options.

CEL’s/codes: With SOME 2014/2015 GMs, depending on options, may experience a CEL while using a Range module. The good news is that none of the lights/codes are permanent and can be taken care of with a scan reader or with what we call the Range "hot plug" method.
The steps for the latter are here: https://rangetechnology.zendesk.com/...-Engine-Lights
When the module is plugged in "hot" like this, it will send a DTC-ALL CLEAR to all modules on the vehicle's BUS. They will go away and will not cause any harm to the vehicle or its warranty.
The reason a CEL/code may be seen is typically when the unit and vehicle both issue commands at the same time. Since this does not allow either command to be completed, it can/may result in a generic “loss of communication” code (usually an engine or transmission code).

This occurrence is very rare with the most current firmware.

2) Our products come with a 1 year warranty as well as a “no questions asked” 30-day return policy. Simply return the module with its original packaging in like—new condition and upon receipt and inspection of the condition of the module, Range will issue the refund.

If you need any assistance with anything, please contact us via phone, email or chat and we are happy to help!

3) Range stands behind our statements and our product and we guarantee the Disabler is NOT detectable to any shop mechanics or technicians etc. It is not possible. Any reports to the contrary can be attributed to a technician having a deeper understanding of AFM/OBD-II technology. ANYTHING in the OBD-II port (Progressive SnapShot, esurance DriveSense and so on) can issue a command at the same time as the vehicle which could result in a CEL. The difference between Range’s modules and others is that the Disabler does NOT leave an ECU footprint unlike the others.

Thanks again!

[yescats]

Originally Posted by SuperStock

I actually believe I had the same issue this week. On Tuesday my car didn't start right away. It eventually started and about half way to work it threw a service stabilitrak and another CEL. My transmission wouldn't shift and it felt like I was losing torque. Luckily there is a dealership on the way to work. I pulled my range AFM when I got to the dealership and dropped the car off. Originally the tech said the transmission was "gutted" and may need to be rebuilt. THe next day he changed his story and said there was a rev code where the car was revved higher than 6,200RPMs. I'm thinking that my range device caused that issue. I have used it fine for the past 2 months until this week. Im somewhat scared to use it even after I have the firmware updated...

Before you take it in you should use their "hot plug" method to clear all codes.

"The good news is that none of the lights/codes are permanent and can be taken care of with a scan reader or with what we call the Range "hot plug" method.
The steps for the latter are here: https://rangetechnology.zendesk.com/...-Engine-Lights
When the module is plugged in "hot" like this, it will send a DTC-ALL CLEAR to all modules on the vehicle's BUS. They will go away and will not cause any harm to the vehicle or its warranty."