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NYCamOwner · 06-24-2015, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasper

Okay, guess I'll have to address my mis-step with the RS thing. I was at work and rushing the post. I do know the difference and in-fact have the RS package on my SS. He has the base model V6 (1LT I think).

0 for 2... LS is the base model.

NYCamOwner · 06-24-2015, 07:16 AM

The reason GM did the V6 is obvious. Ford put out the V6 in the Mustang, and that is mostly all you see out on the road. "Most" people don't want the extra HP, they want the style, and GM realized that. In order to sell more and the compete with them, they had to do it.
I for one only wanted the V6. I need my license for my work, and if I had gotten the SS, I would have gotten into trouble with it, so I did without it. The biggest reason I bought the camaro was the convertible, and it is an automatic because my wife wanted to drive it from time to time, and she cannot drive a stick. You know what they say about "happy wife"...

sbubbaklein · 06-24-2015, 07:32 AM

bought a v6 vert here. With BA sound system and top down driving , no need for v8. Spent my extra 10 grand on the top instead of the motor. Still kind of wonder if v8 would have been better.

mariojmoe · 06-24-2015, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedViking

I could have gotten the SS 1LE, and almost ordered one. It was the forged crankshaft, four camshafts, direct injection, & 200lbs. lighter curb weight that sold me on the V6 along with better styling on the front fascia. I just couldn't justify the extra 8000-12500$ for the V8/1LE , when the V6 has that kind of technology, and can be heavily modded.

Maybe you should test drive a ZL1, then go back to the SS. I wouldn't bash the T4 Camaro yet either, they're supposed to pull mid five seconds 0-60. If I remember correctly, RS/V8 VS RS/V6 comparison by motor trend stated the V6 pulled slightly higher maximum lateral g's .90 for the SS, and. .93 for the V6. Braking was also within a few feet across the board. The V6 is lacking in torque though. At least he's not still driving a mustang, that's a plus!

So, yes the V8 is faster than the V6.

Zl1 is not impressively fast nor is the ss (stock). To me they are all dogs in stock form bc of weight and being detuned from factory. This is why my ss went straight to the performance shop 6 weeks after I bought it (brand new) for heads cam and full bolt on's. It was at that point just adequate and did bring about a smile from me but non the less was not "neck breaking".

Being this was a daily driver (now sold), I wanted a fun fast performer. A V6 was not even an option for me (never even looked at one). I would have picked up a new Accord Coupe with a V6 and manual transmission first. They are actually quicker and to me look just as good with better reliability and unbeatable fuel mileage.

Jasper · 06-24-2015, 07:45 AM

I think that is the point I want to really make. Unless you want the look of a Camaro, I would buy any other car because it drove poorly compared to the SS (IN MY OPINION ONLY). Sorry but it did. It may meet many of your expectations but there are way better cars out there for the same price minus the exterior styling of course. But as said, my standards have been raised. Cudos to those who suggested I try the ZL1 because you're probably right. My SS would likely not impress as much after that. But once I strap a whipple on this, it will wake up.

Note that I've been driving V8's primarily and am used to the low end torque so the V6 naturally feels like my dodge minivan with the pentastar.

And to those who like to "poke the bear". Okay fine. So his car is an LS. Still don't give a crap what you call it. I guess the MODS may as well close the thread because only half the people here understand that it isn't an intention to bash the V6 owners. But there are obviously people here who aren't reading my posts or just like to keep things riled up.

GretchenGotGrowl · 06-24-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mariojmoe

... A V6 was not even an option for me (never even looked at one). I would have picked up a new Accord Coupe with a V6 and manual transmission first. They are actually quicker and to me look just as good with better reliability and unbeatable fuel mileage.

The 2013 Accord V6 Coupe (with manual) has basically the same 0-60, 1/4th mile time and fuel economy as the 2013 1LS Camaro. The Camaro has much better braking and skid pad numbers. I've not seen a direct comparison between Camaros and Accords for reliability, but GM as a whole holds its own quite well against Honda.

GretchenGotGrowl · 06-24-2015, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasper

I think that is the point I want to really make. Unless you want the look of a Camaro, I would buy any other car because it drove poorly compared to the SS (IN MY OPINION ONLY). Sorry but it did. It may meet many of your expectations but there are way better cars out there for the same price minus the exterior styling of course. But as said, my standards have been raised. Cudos to those who suggested I try the ZL1 because you're probably right. My SS would likely not impress as much after that. But once I strap a whipple on this, it will wake up.

Note that I've been driving V8's primarily and am used to the low end torque so the V6 naturally feels like my dodge minivan with the pentastar.

And to those who like to "poke the bear". Okay fine. So his car is an LS. Still don't give a crap what you call it. I guess the MODS may as well close the thread because only half the people here understand that it isn't an intention to bash the V6 owners. But there are obviously people here who aren't reading my posts or just like to keep things riled up.

That's sorta like me saying I drove a stock SS and it felt like a Prius to me because it was lacking the low-end torque I'm used to. My intention isn't to bash the SS though.

Maybe we don't understand your intention isn't to bash the V6 because you keep doing it???

Jasper · 06-24-2015, 08:54 AM

Yep. Well, it's getting to that point because of the fools who take offense even when someone is just giving an honest opinion. I certainly do not intend to bash anyone here. I come here because I want to share my experience and learn for all others here. I need you all for when I have questions.

So how about this.. I'm so sorry all V6 owners. I was wrong, so truly wrong for highlighting the differences in driveablitly between to vehicle variants. Bashing would be to say everyone who bought the V6 should not have. They should have bought the V8. I never once said that. I keep stating that everyone has different tastes and requirments out of a vehicle and a V6 may be fine for some. But obviously there are people here who want to turn me into a monster hater because everyone must have bad intentions and look down on others right?

I guess there is no way to differentiate a personal opinion from bashing. So I'll not try any further.

Jasper · 06-24-2015, 09:14 AM

Well, it was a warm day and perhaps my altitude makes a difference too. In looking at the HP/Tq differences between my Grand Prix and the V6 Camaro, it's now clear why it feels the way it does. My Grand prix that I'm used to has 323ft/lbs and 303HP stock but I've had it tuned as well. The Camaro's torque is sub 300ft/lbs. So I guess I'm just very used to more torque to get it moving quicker. Once the Camaro got going the power came on nicely. But again that's a V8 v.s. V6. It's amazing how much they can get out of these smaller engines now.

Ernest T · 06-24-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Wow! I guess I got a hell of a deal on mine (mid $30s).

This may be sorted out later, but he didn't say the Camaro SS cost $80K. He said the Camaro SS wouldn't compare well to an $80K car.

arkentect · 06-24-2015, 09:49 AM

Nothin like an extensive V8 vs V6 thread. I started one and def got a few lashes, anyway we all know the v6 version is sub par on every level of comparison to the V8, theres really no argument. Beyond that I consider my V6 a great daily commuter car that's faster than 85% of the other commuter cars on the road. Its also a decent gateway car and training to something faster.
As for the affordability portion of this it was def designed to be a car about looks more than performance, hell my V6 gets more looks than some V8s just because of the color.
Def a great platform for people just starting out in the performance car life, or younger people like me who have graduate school loan payments that make a ZL1 payment look cheap lol.

SSJ455 · 06-24-2015, 11:48 AM

I had an '06 GP GXP and yes I could smoke the tires easily because it was FWD. I bought a 2011 Camaro RS last year for the show factor. True, it does not have the rumble, torque or power of the SS, ZL1 or Z28. But I love it anyway. I am sure if I test drove an SS I would not have gone to the RS, but I also wanted something with better fuel mileage. I enjoy every second I am in it.

2010SLVRBULIT · 06-24-2015, 12:10 PM

..another V8 or bust thread

, btw your bro has good taste.

SR71 · 06-24-2015, 12:38 PM

This is just my opinion/review based on my personal experience <----Disclaimer.

I have owned my 2012 SS for a while now and never drove the Hennessey Venom GT until this week. The differences between the SS and Hennessey are big. *yada yada yada*

So in short, the only message I want to convey is that if anyone is considering the Hennessey Venom GT v.s. V8 Camaro, and cost is not a factor, I think you should definitely try both before making a decision because for me, the difference was huge.

Let the flaming begin as I don my flame retardant suit.....

There...fixed

06-24-2015, 07:16 AM	#100
NYCamOwner "Katy" Drives: 2014 2LT A6 'Vert Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Western New York Posts: 1,076 View My Garage	The reason GM did the V6 is obvious. Ford put out the V6 in the Mustang, and that is mostly all you see out on the road. "Most" people don't want the extra HP, they want the style, and GM realized that. In order to sell more and the compete with them, they had to do it. I for one only wanted the V6. I need my license for my work, and if I had gotten the SS, I would have gotten into trouble with it, so I did without it. The biggest reason I bought the camaro was the convertible, and it is an automatic because my wife wanted to drive it from time to time, and she cannot drive a stick. You know what they say about "happy wife"... __________________ 2014 Black 2LT Convertible Elite Engineering Catch Can, Vitesse Throttle Controller, CAI Cold Air Intake Possible next mods: Throttle Body Exhaust Upstate C5 Member No, that is not me in the avatar..... I just love hot girls and hot cars.... or hot girls IN hot cars....

06-24-2015, 07:32 AM	#101
sbubbaklein Drives: early 2011 Camaro convertible Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: House Springs, Mo Posts: 2,001 View My Garage	bought a v6 vert here. With BA sound system and top down driving , no need for v8. Spent my extra 10 grand on the top instead of the motor. Still kind of wonder if v8 would have been better. __________________ Early 2011 LT Convertible, ZL1 bumper, hood, side skirts, belly pan and wheels, Truecarbon ECF hood extractor, K&N CAI, Elite catch can, Big Worm Bow Tie emblems, Jacfab bracket, Vitesse TC, BMR strut brace, BMR tunnel brace, NPP exhaust

06-24-2015, 07:45 AM	#103
Jasper Drives: 2011 Summit White Camaro SS (LS3) Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Welland, Ontario Canada Posts: 547	I think that is the point I want to really make. Unless you want the look of a Camaro, I would buy any other car because it drove poorly compared to the SS (IN MY OPINION ONLY). Sorry but it did. It may meet many of your expectations but there are way better cars out there for the same price minus the exterior styling of course. But as said, my standards have been raised. Cudos to those who suggested I try the ZL1 because you're probably right. My SS would likely not impress as much after that. But once I strap a whipple on this, it will wake up. Note that I've been driving V8's primarily and am used to the low end torque so the V6 naturally feels like my dodge minivan with the pentastar. And to those who like to "poke the bear". Okay fine. So his car is an LS. Still don't give a crap what you call it. I guess the MODS may as well close the thread because only half the people here understand that it isn't an intention to bash the V6 owners. But there are obviously people here who aren't reading my posts or just like to keep things riled up. Last edited by Jasper; 06-24-2015 at 07:56 AM.

06-24-2015, 09:49 AM	#109
arkentect Drives: 2010 Camaro SGM 1LT M6 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,630	Nothin like an extensive V8 vs V6 thread. I started one and def got a few lashes, anyway we all know the v6 version is sub par on every level of comparison to the V8, theres really no argument. Beyond that I consider my V6 a great daily commuter car that's faster than 85% of the other commuter cars on the road. Its also a decent gateway car and training to something faster. As for the affordability portion of this it was def designed to be a car about looks more than performance, hell my V6 gets more looks than some V8s just because of the color. Def a great platform for people just starting out in the performance car life, or younger people like me who have graduate school loan payments that make a ZL1 payment look cheap lol. __________________ Arkentect's Build Thread!! - UPSTATE C5 MEMBER 2010 SGM M6 1LT - SOLD Current - 2009 C6 Corvette Z51

06-24-2015, 11:48 AM	#110
SSJ455 Drives: "Kara Zor-El" 2017 2SS HBM Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lower Hudson Valley Posts: 2,055 View My Garage	I had an '06 GP GXP and yes I could smoke the tires easily because it was FWD. I bought a 2011 Camaro RS last year for the show factor. True, it does not have the rumble, torque or power of the SS, ZL1 or Z28. But I love it anyway. I am sure if I test drove an SS I would not have gone to the RS, but I also wanted something with better fuel mileage. I enjoy every second I am in it. __________________ Lead me not into temptation. I already know the way. Lana? Lana? LANA! LAAANAAAA!!!! What? Dangerzoooooone.

06-24-2015, 08:54 AM	#106
Jasper Drives: 2011 Summit White Camaro SS (LS3) Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Welland, Ontario Canada Posts: 547	Yep. Well, it's getting to that point because of the fools who take offense even when someone is just giving an honest opinion. I certainly do not intend to bash anyone here. I come here because I want to share my experience and learn for all others here. I need you all for when I have questions. So how about this.. I'm so sorry all V6 owners. I was wrong, so truly wrong for highlighting the differences in driveablitly between to vehicle variants. Bashing would be to say everyone who bought the V6 should not have. They should have bought the V8. I never once said that. I keep stating that everyone has different tastes and requirments out of a vehicle and a V6 may be fine for some. But obviously there are people here who want to turn me into a monster hater because everyone must have bad intentions and look down on others right? I guess there is no way to differentiate a personal opinion from bashing. So I'll not try any further.

06-24-2015, 09:14 AM	#107
Jasper Drives: 2011 Summit White Camaro SS (LS3) Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Welland, Ontario Canada Posts: 547	Well, it was a warm day and perhaps my altitude makes a difference too. In looking at the HP/Tq differences between my Grand Prix and the V6 Camaro, it's now clear why it feels the way it does. My Grand prix that I'm used to has 323ft/lbs and 303HP stock but I've had it tuned as well. The Camaro's torque is sub 300ft/lbs. So I guess I'm just very used to more torque to get it moving quicker. Once the Camaro got going the power came on nicely. But again that's a V8 v.s. V6. It's amazing how much they can get out of these smaller engines now.

06-24-2015, 12:10 PM	#111
2010SLVRBULIT Drives: G5(LLT) & C6(LS3) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MARS Posts: 7,525 View My Garage	..another V8 or bust thread, btw your bro has good taste.

06-24-2015, 12:38 PM	#112
SR71 Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary 2SS Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 345	This is just my opinion/review based on my personal experience <----Disclaimer. I have owned my 2012 SS for a while now and never drove the Hennessey Venom GT until this week. The differences between the SS and Hennessey are big. yada yada yada So in short, the only message I want to convey is that if anyone is considering the Hennessey Venom GT v.s. V8 Camaro, and cost is not a factor, I think you should definitely try both before making a decision because for me, the difference was huge. Let the flaming begin as I don my flame retardant suit..... There...fixed __________________ Check out my build thread!