2014 1le ls7 cam, ported heads, long tubes.

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by 1sick_eg

Mind telling me why you wouldn't want to run a catch can?

Sure. The last two cars I have had ('93 Z/28 and '01 WS6) were driven hard (nitrous development at the drag strip and the joy of living and driving in the north GA mountains). Both got to the 200K miles point with that use, and neither had any engine issues.....nothing. Neither car had anything added to then (except for a nitrous kit during development of the kit for that engine), and certainly nothing like a catch can. Plus, there are countless pictures supporting both sides of the coin regarding catch cans. Clean intakes both with and without. I am not interested in spending $200 on something that is not of any or much value. Does it catch oil, I bet it does. Does the engine care if it does or not...that is in my opinion the unproven question.

Devices like the catch can go hand in hand with the dyno work we did when the washable air cleaner craze hit back in the 90's. Many pulls never any proof of manufacturer's claims. Just hate to see people spend money when there is no real gain.

[1sick_eg]

I don't think the engine so much cares about the oil as it does in the reduced octane rating from the oil mist. Longevity wise, I agree that I don't think it makes a difference. Timing wise, it does.

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by 1sick_eg

You're looking around a 20whp difference between stock tuned/bolt-on tuned. Cleaning up the fueling and timing on most ls3's and you're looking at picking up 20whp. Another 20-30whp with headers/intake/retune. On average you should be around 400-410whp stock with a tune, and 425-440whp with bolt-ons and a tune.

Thanks for that info! Since you seem to be in the know, and I am not admittedly, what is the going rate for a set of headers for one of these. It looks like CAI's are around the $300 to $400 mark. Also, what is the ball park for a tune?

[1sick_eg]

Headers, you're looking at 450-1800. Yeah, the range is a little crazy. I went in the middle with a set of Kooks, but I've seen TSP headers do just fine. There are other good companies out there like, Stainless works, Stainless Power, American Racing, etc. For a good tune with HP tuners, you're looking at around $500. SCT tune may come a little cheaper, albeit not much.

If you ever have a question, feel free to pm me. I answer pm's all the time.

[Joseph1LE]

Now exhaust and intake upgrades are apparently unnecessary to maximize gains... This thread is something else...

[gajagfan]

Originally Posted by 1sick_eg

Headers, you're looking at 450-1800. Yeah, the range is a little crazy. I went in the middle with a set of Kooks, but I've seen TSP headers do just fine. There are other good companies out there like, Stainless works, Stainless Power, American Racing, etc. For a good tune with HP tuners, you're looking at around $500. SCT tune may come a little cheaper, albeit not much.

If you ever have a question, feel free to pm me. I answer pm's all the time.

I will probably be PMing you. Your numbers support the point that I was trying to make earlier. If we go middle of the road on the pipes (say $700) and throw in $300 for a CAI of your choice, you have just spent $1000 for about 20 HP. The tune, which you say will net about the same HP, is half as much. Yes, plan A is more warrenty friendly than the plan B. $1000 just seems like a hell of a lot of money to spend for 20 hp. I think it takes a lot more than 20 additional HP to make a noticeable performance enhancement in a 426 HP car that weighs about 3800 lbs. Just my opinion of course.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Joseph1LE

Now exhaust and intake upgrades are apparently unnecessary to maximize gains... This thread is something else...

I think it's a reading comprehension problem more than anything else.

[Jmh_0711]

Originally Posted by Bodywerks

I understand fully. I'm not the only one that interpreted post #4 the way I did. I think you're just back-stepping a bit after more than one person gave you a reality check.
But I'm glad that you are not expecting similar results. Enjoy your mods.

I dont like to argue with other camaro owners, we are practically family lol, but thanks for your response!

[arkentect]

A friend of mine just had his car done at New Era Performance here in Rochester and got decent numbers. He's got a 2013 SS with new heads, cam, and exhaust, He already had the shop's custom OTR intake. Heres the dyno sheet

[2010Camaro1ss]

Originally Posted by arkentect

A friend of mine just had his car done at New Era Performance here in Rochester and got decent numbers. He's got a 2013 SS with new heads, cam, and exhaust, He already had the shop's custom OTR intake. Heres the dyno sheet

Is that with the GM performance package?

[goldcoastmat]

Originally Posted by gajagfan

I will probably be PMing you. Your numbers support the point that I was trying to make earlier. If we go middle of the road on the pipes (say $700) and throw in $300 for a CAI of your choice, you have just spent $1000 for about 20 HP. The tune, which you say will net about the same HP, is half as much. Yes, plan A is more warrenty friendly than the plan B. $1000 just seems like a hell of a lot of money to spend for 20 hp. I think it takes a lot more than 20 additional HP to make a noticeable performance enhancement in a 426 HP car that weighs about 3800 lbs. Just my opinion of course.

With long tubes your either going to need a tune or be ok with a check engine light on. Your likely to get more than 40/40 with all 3 though also, and you will feel the difference.

On my L99 with just headers, CAI, and Tune I Dyno'd over 380/380 to the wheels (a gain of about 60), added cam and heads and now I'm at 466/410

This was a comp custom grind, not the GM cam, and I also have the l99 not ls3 (even with the ls3 conversion, my tranny is still eating more hp on the way to the wheels)

OP I would guess you should be pretty close to my numbers all things considered.

[blackoutVIII]

Go with what makes you happy OP!! When are you going to post the results? I am interested in the final outcome.

[Jmh_0711]

Originally Posted by blackoutVIII

Go with what makes you happy OP!! When are you going to post the results? I am interested in the final outcome.

Parts will be in, in about 2 weeks, then another week for install and tune. Ill keep you guys posted!

[Chris1SS1LE]

Sounds like a reasonable setup since the GM Crate motors use the same specs. Nice thing is he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel for a proven combo, since his combo is a GM crate motor combo.

Good choice and looking forward to you dyno and track times afterwards