FbodFather....we need your help!

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by blackZbandit

I've found in life that many things that you don't personally due are never as easy as it seems. Now I don't work in the oil business, but I have researched it some to help me form my own opinions in regard to the current crises we are in. If we began taking the steps neccessary to extract oil now, we will not see any noticable increase in supply untill at least 10 years from now, and that's if everything goes ABSOLUTELY perfect. Additionally, it has not been proven that drilling can definitely be performed safely off of any of the coastal regions that have been surveyed. And contrary to the belief that many republicans and non democrats seem to have, the environment is actually quite important... unless you don't live on Earth like I do. Beyond that, we will run out of oil one day. Before that time comes we need to develop cleaner, more-efficient, renewable ways to get to work and back. In my heart I'll miss exhaust fumes as much as the rest of us here, but in my head I know it's the right thing to do.

By the way, I'm an Indepandent (at least that's the category people like me are pigeon holed into)

We've heard this "ten years to benefit" rhetoric before, about ten years ago when drilling in Anwar was vetoed, guess what we'd be reaping now if that had not happened. More to the point, ten years is completely, utterly false, a brand new small independent oil company here in the US has been in the news lately, they started their exploration/drilling five years ago and began delivering product in the last few weeks. I would think that the large oil companies with much greater assets could match or better that time frame. Can't do offshore drilling safely?? Perhaps you are not aware that we have not had any spills from offshore drilling even in the course of several major hurricanes that destroyed many drilling platforms, the technology in place prevented any spills. Drill here, drill now, pay less.
Clyde

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

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The goal is energy independance. I don't care if it takes 20 years. There is no excuse for this country not to be energy independant. And while we are using and refineing our own oil we can research and develop the future technologies/fuels we will need.

Originally Posted by Roflmao

I thought the reason that we weren't drilling had a little bit to do that it will do no good here because of the lack of refineries (specifically new ones). It does no good to have a bunch of crude oil if it is just going to sit around waiting to be refined by refineries that aren't getting the job done.


"WE NEED TO REFINE OUR OIL... DO NOT BUY FROM OPEC... ENERGY INDEPENDENCE." cd


On a side note, I read an article from that oil guru guy who wants to put billions into wind power to free up the natural gas used by power plants to be transfered over to automobiles cutting the dependancy on oil by something like... 1/3? Just a thought.

T. Boone Pickens .com or close to it, that will also help, as I said earlier... windmill farms in Texas...nuclear... volts... do it all, more options more competition lower prices... eventually.

[blaSSt]

Originally Posted by chadrcr

windmill farms in Texas....

There is a downside: One windmill farm has killed tens of thousands of birds.

The freezers at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Department in the Sacramento Valley are overflowing with the decapitated and mangled bodies of golden eagles, kestrels and red-tailed hawks, victims of the whirling blades of wind turbines

Plus the Pickens plan is for 4,000 Mw. US uses 3,500,000 Mw, so that's 0.1% of electrical demand. Wind cannot be a significant contributor.

Originally Posted by chadrcr

nuclear....

That's the ONLY viable alternative we currently have to oil. But NIMBY keeps it from being used.

Originally Posted by chadrcr

volts... do it all, more options more competition lower prices... eventually.

INCLUDING developing domestic sources of oil.

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by chadrcr

T. Boone Pickens .com or close to it, that will also help, as I said earlier... windmill farms in Texas...nuclear... volts... do it all, more options more competition lower prices... eventually.

Don't feel like messing with the quotes... haha but yah, I'm not sure I follow your response to mine? You agree that we need to refine the oil? How are we suppose to do that without refineries? Even if we don't get our oil from OPEC we will still have to pay someone to refine it at this point due to our lack of refineries.

As for the power solution... nuclear power sucks too, unless you guys want all that waste in your backyard too? Me and DG3 had a good discussion going in another thread about alternative power, right dude?!

[chevydude26]

Originally Posted by Roflmao

Don't feel like messing with the quotes... haha but yah, I'm not sure I follow your response to mine? You agree that we need to refine the oil? How are we suppose to do that without refineries? Even if we don't get our oil from OPEC we will still have to pay someone to refine it at this point due to our lack of refineries.

As for the power solution... nuclear power sucks too, unless you guys want all that waste in your backyard too? Me and DG3 had a good discussion going in another thread about alternative power, right dude?!

that would be in the bill when we drill...the builidng of more refineries and more nuclear power...

i think t boone is wrong when he says we can't drill our way out of it...he is dead wrong...but i hope his wind stuff works out

[fbodfather]

I appreciate your concerns.

GM is doing many things to address America's energy needs and transportation needs:

>E85 -- by the end of this year, we'll be able to produce E85 for less than a dollar a gallon - however much more work needs to be done in terms of capacity and infrastructure -- we need your help in writing to your congressman and senators.

>Hydrogen -- we have well over 100 Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles on the road today -- this is a long-term technology that must be developed.

>Active fuel management -(cylinder deactivation) -- we're a leader -- avail in many of our trucks and cars

>Hybrids -- we started with Inter-city busses -- and are working our way DOWN the scale - because our plan is more planet friendly........Silverado 2-mode coming this fall -- Tahoe2mode and Malibu Hybrid out there now.....Tahoe 2mode can pull up to 6200 pounds -- haul 8 people -- comes as rwd or 4wd --has a 6 liter V8 engine with lots of HP and Torque to meet your needs -- Active fuel management - and gets BETTER combined fuel economy than a Toyota Camry 4 cylinder -- now THAT's a game-changer.....

>Chevy Volt -- (read about it at chevy.com)

......and we're working on many other powertrain improvements and technologies --we're class leading in terms of fuel economy when it comes to a full-line manufacturer..........

All of this costs money -- the problem is that the new CAFE laws will add a huge cost to our cars and trucks down the road --

......so yes -- by all means -- you need to make your thoughts known to your lawmakers.....

[GTAHVIT]

I hate the doomsday media...

Scott, is there a place where we can go to get information / updates on this stuff or is it not available to the public yet?

Thanks,

[chevydude26]

its good to hear from you f-bod and i'm glad to see gm making a valiant effort to adapt to the current market.

i think the volt needs at least a 30,000 dollar price to be successful.

and i remember the concept camaro had active fuel management where they claimed 30mpg will that be possible on the production? i know the v6 will get close to that with 27

and please everybody sign this petition

http://www.americansolutions.com/act...b-346a1e096659

[boxmonkeyracing]

I keep saying people percieve GM as gas guzzlers but I see more models producing high mpg's compared to their toyota counterparts. . .tunder/silverado.

My gf is the worst for this. She tells me how great toyotas are compared to american and I show her the facts and she brings up quality. . .and I tell her to get in a new chevy and she won't. except my silverado. . .and she likes it. wtf?

[Jose_The_Great_Cuervo]

LOL My gf gives me the SAME crap. "Imports are better quality vehicles. They last longer. Less problems" It's funny because she just bought a 05' Honda Civic and her transmission gave her crap and now her engine is giving her problems as well. buahahahaha

She hates it when I quote her at the times her car starts giving her crap.

She did prove a point because her girlfriend bought a Cobalt the same time she bought her civic and the Cobalts interior is really worn by now while my gf's interior is still in prestine condition.

I know its all about how well you take care of your car but he friend has been taking care of hers.... oh well. Cobalts suck anyways.

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I keep saying people percieve GM as gas guzzlers but I see more models producing high mpg's compared to their toyota counterparts. . .tunder/silverado.

My gf is the worst for this. She tells me how great toyotas are compared to american and I show her the facts and she brings up quality. . .and I tell her to get in a new chevy and she won't. except my silverado. . .and she likes it. wtf?

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by Roflmao

Don't feel like messing with the quotes... haha but yah, I'm not sure I follow your response to mine? You agree that we need to refine the oil? How are we suppose to do that without refineries? Even if we don't get our oil from OPEC we will still have to pay someone to refine it at this point due to our lack of refineries.
As for the power solution... nuclear power sucks too, unless you guys want all that waste in your backyard too? Me and DG3 had a good discussion going in another thread about alternative power, right dude?!

drill here, drill now.... refine OUR OIL not theirs...... build more refineries, in more diverse locations... closer to OUR oil, not all in the gulf of mexico, so a hurricane can cripple them all.
t.boone is right: we can not drill our way out of this------ eventually we will have to replace OIL. In the mean time we can drill here/now to get by for 20 years or however long it takes to develop new tech.
The wind will not replace everything, but it will help.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Jose_The_Great_Cuervo

Cobalts suck anyways.

Oi, then explain why it's one of GM's best selling vehicles, why the name is recognisable, or why it holds a 'Ring record.......
I like my Cobalt.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by chevydude26

its good to hear from you f-bod and i'm glad to see gm making a valiant effort to adapt to the current market.

i think the volt needs at least a 30,000 dollar price to be successful.

and i remember the concept camaro had active fuel management where they claimed 30mpg will that be possible on the production? i know the v6 will get close to that with 27

and please everybody sign this petition

http://www.americansolutions.com/act...b-346a1e096659

Done. Email sent to other family members and friends.

[Roflmao]

Originally Posted by chadrcr

drill here, drill now.... refine OUR OIL not theirs...... build more refineries, in more diverse locations... closer to OUR oil, not all in the gulf of mexico, so a hurricane can cripple them all.
t.boone is right: we can not drill our way out of this------ eventually we will have to replace OIL. In the mean time we can drill here/now to get by for 20 years or however long it takes to develop new tech.
The wind will not replace everything, but it will help.

well that is kind of my point though... billion dollar refineries are not something oil companies want to invest in, especially with their wanting to wane off of oil dependancy (and keep the gasoline prices high to line their pockets). it makes no business sense to build a ton of refineries that are only going to be useful for tops 20 or 30 years, probably less with the time it takes to build them. That leaves only the govt to pay and build them, which means they will also have the same thought process as the oil companies. the investment is just not worth it. why not take that exact same investment and put it towards a variety of technology developments for improving gasoline engines, developing alternative fuel sources, and finding alternative electrical power sources which will all contribute to the solution short AND long term.