Just read the October Road & Track

[dursin]

Originally Posted by diddiyo

i loved the article. great read and pics! i just like to see those three cars together!

I thought it was a great article as well. There are things to like and dislike about each of the cars. Can't go having a fit every time a reviewer doesn't blindly like every single thing about a particular vehicle.

[wjones14]

It didn't come as a surprise to me that of the 3 editors involved in the comparison, the youngest one favored the Camaro, by a lot, saying "The Camaro SS is easily my pick...," while the older editors didn't love the futuristic Transformer look. It's a generational thing.

For me, I like the Dodge the least overall if I had to pick one of these cars. But there is a black SRT 6-speed in the parking lot where I work, and I just gawk at the car every day when I walk by it thinking it's a huge car, but a really good looking huge car.

The concluding paragraphs in the comparison revealed how close the competition was, and how hard it was to pick a winner, where some guy at a gas station asked the R&T editors which one he should buy. The answer was "Just pick the one you like to look at, and after that, you can't go wrong." Truer words were never spoken.

[CamaroFemme]

Originally Posted by nova

I mean what are these "better" materials that everybody keeps talking about?Leather? Polished mahogany? Synthetic marble?

I know everybody talks about plastic this and plastic that, but the only car I've ever been in that the interior didn't boil down to "plastic" was my bosses $100k+ M6.

Call me uncultured or whatever but I just don't get it....

Indeed. Maybe I'm just the rarest of creatures - an easy-to-please female - but I'm thinking...is there a speedometer? Fuel gauge? The seats don't hurt my back and there's a cd player...so as far as the interior goes - it's good in my book. I wanted leather, and having a battery volt gauge is great, but that was about it. Why expect a luxury-car interior from a pony car? The extra cost wouldn't be worth it IMO. I've never sat in a car and thought, "Wow, what a nice interior!" - not even in my parent's Cadillac. I'm concerned with performance, exterior looks, sound and the intangible "feel" of the car. But I'm watching the road or admiring it from the outside, not looking around the interior. Oh, and at 5'4", having to slouch to avoid scraping my head has never been a problem.

[AZCamaroFan]

Whenever i read that someone thinks the Challenger is the best looking of the three, i know they've got a screw loose. The 1970 model looked like a generic version of a Camaro, to begin with. It's almost maddening when you see writers take shots at the Camaro's looks, and yet the general public loves it. Talk about detatched from reality. But then these are the guys that routinely insult the readers. "if you drive this car you have a mullet, you're a hick, and you're iliterate."
And yeah, Peter Egan of Road and Track wrote a piece a few months ago about how he bought a 2008 Bullitt, and how much he wanted it, dreamed of it, etc.

[AZCamaroFan]

Originally Posted by 1badSS/RS

Take what you read in the rags with grain of salt. Look at the numbers and try to avoid the purely subjective category's such as appearance/syle. People decide this themselves with their pocketbooks. I subscribe to MT, C&D,R&T and several Vette magazines and enjoy reading them as soon as they arrive, but it never ceases to amaze me how prejudice they seem to be sometimes. Recently C&D did a test with top-end convertibles and had new machines from everyone except chevrolet(Vette). They actually used a rental with over 15k miles on it and, as expected, complained about it. Don't think a Vette rental has been rode hard and put up wet I have some swamp land to sale you.LOL

Yeah and they bashed the auto transmission in the Corvette for not shifting fast....and the numbers were right there with a manual.

[Z/28orSs]

Originally Posted by DREWid

They love the new Camaro even though they liked the Stang more. What bugged me the most were the low marks they gave it in both interior and exterior styling. Lower than the Challenger for interior? OMG what were they smoking? The Challenger has nothing on the inside for style. I know it's all subjective, but please R&T, who paid you guys off?
OK, I'm off my soap box.

the editor has a 2008 bullit... nuff siad

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Some may be how you say bent out of shape, but I believe I was quite reasonable.
Having an extensive art background I can say without doubt the 6 series BMW is a confused take on design. It simply does not flow, the 3 series is a much more eloquent & fluid design, and so is the Camaro.

Your background in art has nothing to do with anything. Seriously, nothing at all. It can only bias your opinion. People like what they like. Period. There is no rule that people will follow, we simply like whatever we like.

Saying it does not flow is purely YOUR opinion. There is no concrete rule saying the design of the car should make it flow a certain way. That is all up to the designer. I'm just saying be happy that you like your Camaro cuz in the end that's all that matters.

You can't please everyone so to each his own.

[rodimus prime]

No...seriously the 6 series doesnt flow. Not to mention I wouldnt even know one if I was staring at it because BMW is to lazy to name their cars. Any company that only numbers cars is a company I want nothing to do with.

Hey guys this is my 457 B 198 Y 37 Series.

"Oh, I thought you had the g456 198 y 36 Series?"

No thats so last months model.

[All-Or-Nothing]

The fact that it doesn't flow is your opinion. There are styles and categories to art but no rules. You guys just get so sensitive if ANY one says ANY thing negative about the new Camaro. It won in most the performance tests and all you can focus on is the fact he didn't like the looks as much as the Mustang.

News Flash......Everyone doesn't like it as much as you.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by rodimus prime

No...seriously the 6 series doesnt flow. Not to mention I wouldnt even know one if I was staring at it

If you don't even know what it looks like how do you know it doesn't flow

You just like to argue that's it.

[dursin]

Originally Posted by azfan

Whenever i read that someone thinks the Challenger is the best looking of the three, i know they've got a screw loose. The 1970 model looked like a generic version of a Camaro, to begin with. It's almost maddening when you see writers take shots at the Camaro's looks, and yet the general public loves it. Talk about detatched from reality. But then these are the guys that routinely insult the readers. "if you drive this car you have a mullet, you're a hick, and you're iliterate."
And yeah, Peter Egan of Road and Track wrote a piece a few months ago about how he bought a 2008 Bullitt, and how much he wanted it, dreamed of it, etc.

People have different opinions. Someone may actually think the writer of your post has a screw loose. Doesn't mean you do, nor does it mean the writer of that Road and Track article does either.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Your background in art has nothing to do with anything. Seriously, nothing at all. It can only bias your opinion. People like what they like. Period. There is no rule that people will follow, we simply like whatever we like.

Saying it does not flow is purely YOUR opinion. There is no concrete rule saying the design of the car should make it flow a certain way. That is all up to the designer. I'm just saying be happy that you like your Camaro cuz in the end that's all that matters.

You can't please everyone so to each his own.

Definitions of flow:

move or progress freely as if in a stream; "The crowd flowed out of the stadium"
the motion characteristic of fluids (liquids or gases)
the amount of fluid that flows in a given time
cause to flow; "The artist flowed the washes on the paper"
the act of flowing or streaming; continuous progression

It is not an opinion, it is a visible and tangible part of design.
And, yes many things please me while many others don't. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that does not make something actually beautiful.
The lack of symmetry causes the 6 to be at war with itself design wise.
Your infatuation with it's design is your right, enjoy.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Definitions of flow:

move or progress freely as if in a stream; "The crowd flowed out of the stadium"
the motion characteristic of fluids (liquids or gases)
the amount of fluid that flows in a given time
cause to flow; "The artist flowed the washes on the paper"
the act of flowing or streaming; continuous progression

It is not an opinion, it is a visible and tangible part of design.
And, yes many things please me while many others don't. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that does not make something actually beautiful.
The lack of symmetry causes the 6 to be at war with itself design wise.
Your infatuation with it's design is your right, enjoy.

LMAO....you obviously need to go back to art school. Your explanation made no sense.

I'm not infatuated with the 6. I liked it so I bought it.


Anyways who cares if you don't like it. Not me. Argue by yourself about it cuz now it's silly. Enjoy your car and I'll enjoy mine. I won't be responding to this stupid arguement anymore.

[rodimus prime]

LOL how could you say the 6 series flows. The front of it looks like it has down syndrom. It flows if you like cars that dont flow and look like they have a slight retardation to them. The interior doesnt even flow.







Im just kidding btw. I still dont know what a 6 series looks like. Ive probably seen them dozens of times, but since it doesnt have a name I will never remember it.