6th Gen early sales

[CamaroinCLE]

Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

ZL1 vs 6 Gen

To me how is the Gen6 design considered enough to call it a next gen. Looks to me like a mid model refresh. If you are going to redesign it needs to be very different but not to the point you do not know what it is. let the arrows fly....

[bobby35ny]

They will redesign the car into extinction AGAIN if they don't fix their act. They copied the Lexus front and god knows what the hell they did to the rear.. Motor is great, Guts is great. Looks, not so good. It's all about demographics, They want the NEW younger blood, What they fail to realize is the old retro guys needed to reUP, They pushed them away with this 6th Gen. I also think the pricing is out of reach for the younger people that they are trying to get.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CamaroinCLE

To me how is the Gen6 design considered enough to call it a next gen. Looks to me like a mid model refresh. If you are going to redesign it needs to be very different but not to the point you do not know what it is. let the arrows fly....

Ask Aston Martin. Porsche. Corvette...They very rarely have dramatically changed the style of their cars year over year. It's the difference between evolutionary and revolutionary design.

It's a new generation because everything has been changed about it...end of story really, there's no room for opinion, there. And ultimately that's what it seems you issue is; you don't think the design was dramatically changed enough.

No arrows...but it's real hard to claim its not a new generation just cause you don't agree with the design decisions...

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

They will redesign the car into extinction AGAIN if they don't fix their act. They copied the Lexus front and god knows what the hell they did to the rear.. Motor is great, Guts is great. Looks, not so good. It's all about demographics, They want the NEW younger blood, What they fail to realize is the old retro guys needed to reUP, They pushed them away with this 6th Gen. I also think the pricing is out of reach for the younger people that they are trying to get.

Copied Lexus?? I don't understand comment at all!

Retro is out...and the 5th gen was always the least retro of the three pony cars, anyways.

Shop around...you can't get anything RWD and sporty today for less than 25k. The T4 model will compete favorably at that level in terms of features and performance.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by CamaroinCLE

To me how is the Gen6 design considered enough to call it a next gen. Looks to me like a mid model refresh. If you are going to redesign it needs to be very different but not to the point you do not know what it is. let the arrows fly....

Complete different platform for one thing. Looks may be similar but the execution is completely new. Remember they said only two parts were carried over from the 5th gen, the rear Bowtie and the SS emblem... To me that makes it a new generation..

[shrinkdoc]

Originally Posted by maddoggyusa

the 6th gen is a nice car, but it just lost it's vintage look. now you could slap a nissan badge on it and not know the difference... before it was an obvious chevy product.

and like I saw awhile go... Chevy will never catch the Mustang volumes again. Being late to market is usually a killer.

Sooo...this looks like a Nissan???

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440689

Nope didn't think so.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by shrinkdoc

Sooo...this looks like a Nissan???

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440689

Nope didn't think so.

Hey, my "Nissan" is one of those cars and I never even saw that thread, lol.

[justjoshin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Shop around...you can't get anything RWD and sporty today for less than 25k. The T4 model will compete favorably at that level in terms of features and performance.

Not saying one is better than the other at all. I am just worried that the price hike will eventually hurt the longevity of the camaro. A big reason sales were good with the 5th was due to it being affordable to many people. There are a lot of 1LS models out there that were MSRP of $24700. With a small rebate, and a dealer discount, a lot were sold below $20k. The cheapest V6 16 has a MSRP OF $28K. For what my 2010 SS retailed for plus what I spent on mods doesn't add up to the MSRP of a 16 1SS. I just think sales will drop due to prices. Hope I'm wrong cause the camaro has always been my favorite car.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by justjoshin

Not saying one is better than the other at all. I am just worried that the price hike will eventually hurt the longevity of the camaro. A big reason sales were good with the 5th was due to it being affordable to many people. There are a lot of 1LS models out there that were MSRP of $24700. With a small rebate, and a dealer discount, a lot were sold below $20k. The cheapest V6 16 has a MSRP OF $28K. For what my 2010 SS retailed for plus what I spent on mods doesn't add up to the MSRP of a 16 1SS. I just think sales will drop due to prices. Hope I'm wrong cause the camaro has always been my favorite car.

I hear what you're saying.

That's only true later on in the lifecycle.

The Camaro had a higher MSRP than the Mustang model for model, and for the first two or three years there was nearly $0 in rebates on the Camaro, vs $1000 or more on the competitive Mustangs.

As far as the SS comparison you make...that's not entirely fair because over the course of the generation, SSs got progressively more expensive as model years passed. I think a 2015 1SS started at 34-someting vs 30,000 in 2010? The V8s...unfortunately...are going to continue to get more artificially expensive as time goes on, thanks to the CAFE standards.

[RaceFuel]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I hear what you're saying.

That's only true later on in the lifecycle.

The Camaro had a higher MSRP than the Mustang model for model, and for the first two or three years there was nearly $0 in rebates on the Camaro, vs $1000 or more on the competitive Mustangs.

As far as the SS comparison you make...that's not entirely fair because over the course of the generation, SSs got progressively more expensive as model years passed. I think a 2015 1SS started at 34-someting vs 30,000 in 2010? The V8s...unfortunately...are going to continue to get more artificially expensive as time goes on, thanks to the CAFE standards.

in 2009 a 2010 1SS A6 was $31,940, the Chevy B&P is still active for the 2015 and a 1SS A6 is $35,795.

Adjusted for inflation that $31,940 is equal to $35,286..so adjusted for inflation the 1SS A6 only went up around $700.

It's inflation has caused the price to swell, the reason why it's harder now is because wages haven't gone up as well..but that's another topic.

[102SS]

As much as I like the 6th Gen I will not be buying one.:(

I am a large guy 6'3" 265lbs and I just don't fit.

My right leg hits the center consol and its just too tight.

I think my 99TA has more room

I was actually at the dealer looking to buy/make an offer on a 2015 Camaro 2SS/RS Vert but I guess it finally sold on Friday.

They had Bumblebee in the showroom a 2016 2SS/RS A8 with sunroof NPP and a some more options I didn't rally scope the whole thing out.

Got to sit in it and start it up and she sounds sweet.

My GF said to just keep mine as its paid for,why take on a car payment is what she said.

[NC_SS]

I saw one in person in Charlotte yesterday, blue RS

It's a sharp looking car no doubt, but I still don't care for the rear end. The front is mega aggressive and I think the rear is kind of soft, but maybe the SS will change my opinion on that.

It looks good though, much better in person

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

They will redesign the car into extinction AGAIN if they don't fix their act. They copied the Lexus front and god knows what the hell they did to the rear.. Motor is great, Guts is great. Looks, not so good. It's all about demographics, They want the NEW younger blood, What they fail to realize is the old retro guys needed to reUP, They pushed them away with this 6th Gen. I also think the pricing is out of reach for the younger people that they are trying to get.

Yup the front end does have that Toyota Camry/Corola features that I noticed from the get go. I see this model Camaro selling less than the Gen 5.

[cb66]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Hey guys?

We're all driving Camaros, and that's more important than what generation it is...

Let's all play nice, so I don't need to be the big-bad moderator....please.

Is it just me or does it seem like there are many people who are here just to argue?.......

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I still have to confirm this, but from what I have read the CA6 is a big step forward. After owning three fifth gens I do think the pre 2014 5th gen ZL1 is the high water mark for the best looking Camaro of all time. The 2014-15 ZL1s are a close second.

But the 6th gen Camaro is clearly a Camaro and a good looking car if a little cartoonish. The CA6es are having a few teething problems too. Someting we also experienced with the 5th gens.

With the CA6 SS ZL1 level performance has dipped below $40K. How cool is that? As for me I will take the lighter, faster, better handling car with more modern amenities and a far nicer interior when the time and $$ make sense. Unfortunately for me this time has been pushed up to soon. I will miss my ZL1, but I am really looking forward to driving the new Camaro

I am not knocking the 5th gen. It is still a great car. But time marches on. Enjoy your fifth gen and then one day you have a great car to move on to when it suits you or not.

Spend some time in a CA6 before giving up on it. It might win you over. In the mean time enjoy your Camaro.

I test drove a very nice one. Heated steering wheel. But my 2012 with current mods and wheels felt lighter and more nimble but not as refined. My car feels more track rat. The surprise was that the My car felt lighter than the 2016 SS 2ss and felt as quick 0 to mid rpm range even though my car has a cam. Mid to redline my camed LS3 will pull away where the 6 gen has power fall off. The suspension feels times better driving out of the parking lot but at higher speeds my Bilstein setup comes alive where the 6 gen Mag ride setup calls it quits. I personally don't like the high speed dampening or stability of the 6th gen. Also the 6th gen is too damn nose heavy, reminds me of a non M BMW 3 series. Corners that I can just go into without brakes and turn in with my 5th gen the 6th gen had to be slowed to very low speeds and still required more steering control entering the corners. It's going to be harder to get the 6th gen to be more neutral.