80mm Throttle Body for the LFX

[derek1387]

Now i just need my tunes for the 3.91, and install this 80mm Thursday, and im set!

[Shawno72]

Originally Posted by tajefe

I'm sure my post will bring tons of excuses. That's the beauty of excuses anybody can have those but whats the real reason? This started in January with the following title "80mm Throttle Body for the LFX". I suppose it doesn't say it works yet. Lol
More than likely I will not post on this issue again since everyone will want to argue their position and I could care less what that is. I'm not in the business of selling you stuff so I don't have to care about feelings, excuses, or your position on this. Hope those spending the time and money on R&D are being compensated for it though. If not maybe I will go into some sort of business on here since you can sell untested products and get customers to pay the company to R&D it. Wow what a gig! Anybody want to buy a Widget? I swear more horsepower and torque if you believe in the Widget.
Just disappointed because I thought this was a good deal in the beginning and it turned in to this.

Bro your running a throttle body spacer, biggest snake oil mod there is, and come on here to blast others? Cmon man Will has proven countless times that he IS at the top of the Lfx game. You on he other hand are running baby kid mods playing....troll'n

[Tajefe Couple]

Originally Posted by tajefe

I'm sure my post will bring tons of excuses. That's the beauty of excuses anybody can have those but whats the real reason? This started in January with the following title "80mm Throttle Body for the LFX". I suppose it doesn't say it works yet. Lol
More than likely I will not post on this issue again since everyone will want to argue their position and I could care less what that is. I'm not in the business of selling you stuff so I don't have to care about feelings, excuses, or your position on this. Hope those spending the time and money on R&D are being compensated for it though. If not maybe I will go into some sort of business on here since you can sell untested products and get customers to pay the company to R&D it. Wow what a gig! Anybody want to buy a Widget? I swear more horsepower and torque if you believe in the Widget.
Just disappointed because I thought this was a good deal in the beginning and it turned in to this.

Think I must have touched a nerve.

[Shawno72]

Originally Posted by tajefe

Think I must have touched a nerve.

Originally Posted by tajefe

Hope this baby mod doesn't hurt so bad but believe you could probably create your own E-85 kit like the Aussies did on the below G8.
Gather your parts:

Required parts depends on where you plan to install your sensor, but this is how I installed mine.
I installed my sensor in the engine compartment between the stock metal feed line and the Magnacharger fuel rail inlet.

1. You will need an E85 fuel composition sensor. I used the 13577429 sensor because it is inexpensive and compact. The PPV and Holden Commodore use the 13577379 sensor and mount near or on the tank.

2. Sensor harness/pigtail – GM doesn’t offer a pigtail connector for this sensor for any car so I did a few hours digging around and found two different harness that are inexpensive and have the correct connector for any of the above sensors. 13352241 is the least expensive and short along with 20954434 which is about 2 or 3x as long and about double the price. All you need is the connector and leads for the sensor so just cut off the other end that is not needed.

3. Quick connect 3/8” to AN fuel fittings. Something like the Russell 644123. I used 3 of these but you may need to use 4 depending how you plumb your system.

4. -6AN hose ends. I used 2 but again it depends on how you plumb your system. If using standard AN hose something like the Russell 610025 will work, but I used quality Techafx PTFE lined hose. These require the special PTFE specific hose ends AFX600006DTBK and specific hose AFX630006.

5. You will either need to make or buy an ECM lead. I had one laying around, but you can also buy 13575575. That wire has the correct E38 terminal. You need to insert this pin into the X1 connector (black) pin 40 on the ECM. This was a PITA on my GXP but made the install worth it.

6. About 18 foot of small gauge wire again depending on where you mount the sensor. I have a few junk engine harnesses I use to for projects like this.

7. Some basic wiring skills (soldering iron and heat shrink) I also used some Painless 70950 classic braid wire wrap. This made my 6’wire harness blend right in with the stock harnesses.

8. HPtuners to activate the native E85 capibility

I will try and update this ASAP with some pictures but I wanted to get this started.

Plumbing:
This is how I mounted/plumbed my sensor.

From the metal fuel line by the firewall I used the following parts.

3/8” -6 quick connect(RUS644123) -> -6 straight coupler (RUS640003) -> 3/8” -6 quick connect(RUS644123) -> E85 sensor (13352241) 3/8” -6 quick connect(RUS644123) -> PTFE hose end (AFX600006DTBK) ->about 8” of black PTFE hose (AFX630006) -> PTFE hose end (AFX600006DTBK) -> to -6 fitting on my fuel rail. This is where you might need to add another 3/8” -6 quick connect(RUS644123) if you are using the stock rail.

Note: I used a good PTFE hose here because of the E85 and how it might react with standard rubber line. Do some reading on the TechAFX hose. Very good read. The black braided hose is actually easier to use than their fabric braided hose IMO.

Wiring:
Connect the pigtail to the sensor and measure around the back of the engine down to the ECM connectors staying away from any moving parts and high heat. Also make it look good while you’re at it. I used about 6 feet of wire for each of the 3 wires.

The sensor pigtail has a black (ground), pink (switched 12v), and a white (signal to ECM). I wired the white wire to the #40 cavity on the X1 ECM connector (Black) You may need to pop out a cavity plug or snap out a small piece of plastic that seals it off to get the terminal inserted correctly.

The switched 12V wire I tied into a wire under the fuse block that the Caprice PPV uses for the sensor.
Ground I just tied into my ground for my intercooler pump but any good ground will work.


Here is the link with more details-
http://www.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=36467
Fuel sensor link-
http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/oe-gm/13577429
Seems like it would work on the Camaro as well and all for around $100ish in parts.

Your not touching nerves your just Internet bashing. If yuh really even cared you would have been posting here all along. Asking questions, giving positive comments and such. Instead a you come on here with a cut and paste from another forum, again steeling others posts. I've already got an E85 kit coming and it's been proven to bring real gains. I'm going to leave it at this because people like you get kicks out of causing drama on forums and to say you don't care about feelings is a farse. Only reason you posted was to damage and put down but not to worry your not gonna an issue are you? You've made your point right? No reason to say anything more right? Or wait let me guess the troll is still hungry

[Tajefe Couple]

Originally Posted by Shawno72

Your not touching nerves your just Internet bashing. If yuh really even cared you would have been posting here all along. Asking questions, giving positive comments and such. Instead a you come on here with a cut and paste from another forum, again steeling others posts. I've already got an E85 kit coming and it's been proven to bring real gains. I'm going to leave it at this because people like you get kicks out of causing drama on forums and to say you don't care about feelings is a farse. Only reason you posted was to damage and put down but not to worry your not gonna an issue are you? You've made your point right? No reason to say anything more right? Or wait let me guess the troll is still hungry

Great job you got me to do what I said I wouldn't and acknowledge people like you.
I don't feel the need to explain myself to you. So not sure why I am. However I tried Will to no avail since following on page two of this thread via email, pm, and phone at where ever he moved to. Hence my opinion on his CS skills. So after following for this long that is my frustration true.
Trolling however is generally the response like your offering without reading everything. So good job.

BTW I'm offering a way to try and create your own kit for those capable of figuring it out from the factory sensor. Yes someone halfway around the world started the post not me. I do however fail to see your point as you quote my post??? Kind of hypocritical wouldn't you say.
I also personally don't care where you get it or what you use just offering another option for those that would like it. This gives people the chance to not be at someones mercy and be able to do it themselves. I'm sure Will's kit works there is a couple post to that fact. I even compliment Derek on his kit from Will???

[camrytt]

Yo Derek will you take some pics for me for what all you have to do once you get the elbow? I'll have to just show my mechanic buddy and see if he can do it. He put in my scoop, intake, and vmax tb so I trust em.

Assuming you get the part and it works! HaHaha!

[elmayimbe]

Originally Posted by Sanjay Collins

I love this forum sometimes!

+1

[flyer08]

Originally Posted by Shawno72

Your not touching nerves your just Internet bashing. If yuh really even cared you would have been posting here all along. Asking questions, giving positive comments and such. Instead a you come on here with a cut and paste from another forum, again steeling others posts. I've already got an E85 kit coming and it's been proven to bring real gains. I'm going to leave it at this because people like you get kicks out of causing drama on forums and to say you don't care about feelings is a farse. Only reason you posted was to damage and put down but not to worry your not gonna an issue are you? You've made your point right? No reason to say anything more right? Or wait let me guess the troll is still hungry

Y'all done bitching at each other?

Id also,like to see these real e85 gains. Do you know of a Dyno graph comparing e85 to 91/93? I'm doing e85 on my N/A SS but know the gains won't be as much as a FI car. Cant imagine its worth it for the LfX N/A

[flyer08]

Id like to see same car on same Dyno on same day. Comparing two cars on two dynos doesn't say much. If it was shown to actually improve 25rwhp Id be throwing it on the wife's car. E85 is cheap enough here to outweigh the 25-30% increase in fuel needed

[Shawno72]

Originally Posted by tajefe

Great job you got me to do what I said I wouldn't and acknowledge people like you.
I don't feel the need to explain myself to you. So not sure why I am. However I tried Will to no avail since following on page two of this thread via email, pm, and phone at where ever he moved to. Hence my opinion on his CS skills. So after following for this long that is my frustration true.
Trolling however is generally the response like your offering without reading everything. So good job.

BTW I'm offering a way to try and create your own kit for those capable of figuring it out from the factory sensor. Yes someone halfway around the world started the post not me. I do however fail to see your point as you quote my post??? Kind of hypocritical wouldn't you say.
I also personally don't care where you get it or what you use just offering another option for those that would like it. This gives people the chance to not be at someones mercy and be able to do it themselves. I'm sure Will's kit works there is a couple post to that fact. I even compliment Derek on his kit from Will???

So basically all this because you are butt hurt about him not answering you back? 35 pages later and your still mad to the point where you'll blow up his thread? Why not do what us adults do and move on? Obviously he has plenty of happy customers and mistakes can happen. If you fell thru the cracks that sucks, but deal with it quickly and don't wait for a thread to grow and go stirring stuff up and expect people to sympathize with you. And if you want to share your find on the e85, cool but start your own thread. All bad man, have some respect for the hundreds and likely thousands that like Will's products and his genius. Feel better now?

[Shawno72]

Originally Posted by flyer08

Y'all done bitching at each other?

Id also,like to see these real e85 gains. Do you know of a Dyno graph comparing e85 to 91/93? I'm doing e85 on my N/A SS but know the gains won't be as much as a FI car. Cant imagine its worth it for the LfX N/A

I'm just defending a good dude and funny you should ask because apparently there are very good gains on the Lfx. Read around and you'll see

[Tajefe Couple]

Originally Posted by Shawno72

So basically all this because you are butt hurt about him not answering you back? 35 pages later and your still mad to the point where you'll blow up his thread? Why not do what us adults do and move on? Obviously he has plenty of happy customers and mistakes can happen. If you fell thru the cracks that sucks, but deal with it quickly and don't wait for a thread to grow and go stirring stuff up and expect people to sympathize with you. And if you want to share your find on the e85, cool but start your own thread. All bad man, have some respect for the hundreds and likely thousands that like Will's products and his genius. Feel better now?

MMmmm
Like I said no explanation necessary since people like you will always find some reason to be 100% correct. Now you've shifted your reason I went from a troll to butt hurt. More accusations without the entire story. I could keep going as to why I would decide not to use Will but choose not to.
So once again not true just calling like I see it for 35 pages. You've spent your money and seem to sound butt hurt though.
I'm sorry did I need your permission to voice my opinion? Think I'll deal with things my way.
My way, customer service review. I do feel people need to know about customer service it's important to some and should be a large part of business.
I'm just sharing like everyone else your stirring up SHIT!
I guess its only okay to share if the review is good though, and I check with you first to make sure it holds standard.
So sad it's people like you that give Camaro owners a bad name.

"You either serve the customer or serve someone who does"
The Bull, Paul Breen

[mjf12080]

[Shawno72]

Originally Posted by tajefe

MMmmm

Good you got the point. Thank you