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assasinator · 09-18-2010, 02:36 PM

the Z06 is second fiddle to DOZENS of its direct competitors. 505 hp is not really very much compared to even a m5 or m6(only 5hp more than a common family car), let alone an exotic. keep the Z in your pocket. its not a competitor with a BOSS 302. but you know that.

Black5thgen · 09-18-2010, 03:41 PM

Oh all you mustang guys crack me up. As soon as the mustang got a little power you all attack every mustang thread with your erect peepee's and start shooting off all kinds of crap. All on a Camaro specific board that you're only here to talk about how great your little pony is. Technically if you want to compare the vette to a mustang you can based on the fact that they are both the performance "halo" car for each brand. The mustang receives all the engineering while the Camaro gets trickled down vette parts.

Now we have no idea what GM has in store for a 2012 Camaro. That being said the Boss mustang may not be that far ahead at the time it hits the streets.

Black5thgen · 09-18-2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by assasinator

the Z06 is second fiddle to DOZENS of its direct competitors. 505 hp is not really very much compared to even a m5 or m6(only 5hp more than a common family car), let alone an exotic. keep the Z in your pocket. its not a competitor with a BOSS 302. but you know that.

So an M5 is now a common family car????? Since when?

oldlugs · 09-18-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Black5thgen

...you all attack every mustang thread with your erect peepee's and start shooting off...

..You don't use it, you lose it...or so I've been told.

snakekiller · 09-18-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Black5thgen

Oh all you mustang guys crack me up. As soon as the mustang got a little power you all attack every mustang thread with your erect peepee's and start shooting off all kinds of crap. All on a Camaro specific board that you're only here to talk about how great your little pony is. Technically if you want to compare the vette to a mustang you can based on the fact that they are both the performance "halo" car for each brand. The mustang receives all the engineering while the Camaro gets trickled down vette parts.

Now we have no idea what GM has in store for a 2012 Camaro. That being said the Boss mustang may not be that far ahead at the time it hits the streets.

this section does say Camaro vs.
GM doesn't really have anything in store for 2012 other than the Z/28 and convertible, the era where you could have different V8 options is gone. now GM and Ford have to deal with CAFE and all that safety requirements.
lets not bring the power the GT had in 8 year its main competitor was dead, there was no reason for ford to offer 400hp when they had all the market to themselves. the mustang doesn't compare remotely to the vette, other than HP and Price. Ford halo car has been the ford GT and i still dint compete with the Vette directly.

assasinator · 09-18-2010, 10:05 PM

the mustang is not in the vette's competitive group. never has been. never will be.

the camaro SS is second fiddle to the BOSS. the Z28 will put the GT500 at the bottom. unless the GT500 ups the boost.

every time this discussion starts, you guys wanna campare the vette to a mustang.

so i get to compare the 2010SS to the gt500. a gt500 does not compare to a vette. it has no competition. the vette is a sports car. ford makes no sports car.

fazm · 09-18-2010, 10:44 PM

why do people keep saying the 2011 mustang gt isnt sae certified? it is

http://standards.sae.org/cpfd2_11must98r/

and if you dont want to pay a grand to see it

SAE J1349 Results 416/394 @ 6500/4250 rpm

which means technically they could have advertised it as 420hp/398tq

Black5thgen · 09-19-2010, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snakekiller

this section does say Camaro vs.
GM doesn't really have anything in store for 2012 other than the Z/28 and convertible, the era where you could have different V8 options is gone. now GM and Ford have to deal with CAFE and all that safety requirements.
lets not bring the power the GT had in 8 year its main competitor was dead, there was no reason for ford to offer 400hp when they had all the market to themselves. the mustang doesn't compare remotely to the vette, other than HP and Price. Ford halo car has been the ford GT and i still dint compete with the Vette directly.

The days of different V8's are over huh? So Ford can do it but GM can't? That seems to be what you are saying in your post. The Boss 5.0 is different from the regular 5.0. GM can just as easily bump up HP for a certain model of SS for 2012 if they choose. As it stands there are 2 V8 options with different HP ratings for the SS. GM can play the same game as ford and offer an SS with a dry sump oiling system (already in the GS), different intake/exhaust (borrowed from the Z28), tweak the tune and add a gear. That would easily offer competition for the Boss. Seeing as we have no solid proof as to what GM has in store in 2012 my predictions could be as valid as yours that GM has nothing else other than the vert and Z.

ULTRAZLS1 · 09-19-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fazm

why do people keep saying the 2011 mustang gt isnt sae certified? it is

http://standards.sae.org/cpfd2_11must98r/

and if you dont want to pay a grand to see it

SAE J1349 Results 416/394 @ 6500/4250 rpm

which means technically they could have advertised it as 420hp/398tq

Dont waste your time. I have said it about 100 times in 100 different threads. Lots of people will still just simply disregard this anyways...but if one were to look into the NEW SAE certification process etc. I'm sure they would change their tune....but then again maybe not lol.

Here are some engine dyno tests of the ls3 and l99. Engine dyno with headers and no accessories...~480hp for the ls3.

http://www.**************************-...l#post13882913

big hammer · 09-19-2010, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by assasinator

the mustang is not in the vette's competitive group. never has been. never will be.

the camaro SS is second fiddle to the BOSS. the Z28 will put the GT500 at the bottom. unless the GT500 ups the boost.

every time this discussion starts, you guys wanna campare the vette to a mustang.

so i get to compare the 2010SS to the gt500. a gt500 does not compare to a vette. it has no competition. the vette is a sports car. ford makes no sports car.

the only thing i gather from this fanboi post is that ford makes the best mustang out there.

assasinator · 09-19-2010, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big hammer

the only thing i gather from this fanboi post is that ford makes the best mustang out there.

you can KMA. a fanboi post was answered by a counter. your opinion means didley.

im a cadillac fanboy for sure.

assasinator · 09-19-2010, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big hammer

the only thing i gather from this fanboi post is that ford makes the best mustang out there.

the only thing i gather from THIS fanboi post is you cant read.

Sax1031 · 09-19-2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Dont waste your time. I have said it about 100 times in 100 different threads. Lots of people will still just simply disregard this anyways...but if one were to look into the NEW SAE certification process etc. I'm sure they would change their tune....but then again maybe not lol.

Here are some engine dyno tests of the ls3 and l99. Engine dyno with headers and no accessories...~480hp for the ls3.

http://www.**************************-...l#post13882913

Yep and the insiders at Ford said in development the 5.0 made 475 hp on the engine dyno. Then it was detuned for production. And by looking at the numbers gained from tuning that looks to be pretty accurate.

Bob Cosby · 09-19-2010, 01:07 PM

This has gotten rather humorous.

BTW....this winter/spring, I will be cross-shopping a GT or Boss with an 09/10 low mileage Vette, and perhaps even an 06/07 Z06 (if prices continue to fall like they have been). However, even though I will be seriously considering all of them, I don't consider any Mustang to be a direct competitor with any Vette. At all.

What I won't be considering is the SS (it won't magically drop 300 lbs this spring), Challenger (it won't magically drop 500 lbs this spring), GT500 (done the blower thing, over it), or Z28 (see GT500, and assuming it is available then). For that matter, it is likely I won't seriously consider the Boss either due to the inevitable markups on what will likely be a pretty hefty MSRP.

In the end, it is all personal preference based on my own wants, needs, and biases (and make no mistake...we are ALL biased).

But I will still get a kick out of reading these posts...which is one of the reasons I'm here.

09-18-2010, 02:36 PM	#1387
assasinator 1 n the head,2 n da chest Drives: 2002 cadillac deville Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: huntsville al. Posts: 659	the Z06 is second fiddle to DOZENS of its direct competitors. 505 hp is not really very much compared to even a m5 or m6(only 5hp more than a common family car), let alone an exotic. keep the Z in your pocket. its not a competitor with a BOSS 302. but you know that. __________________ 2011GT E85, Kooks 1-7/8", 3" offroad X, 2-7/8" overaxles, Roush mufflers, CobraJet intake, SCJ monoblade throttle body, drew 4.5" CAI, Boss302S exhaust valve springs, Baby CobraJet exhaust cams. 3.73 gears, lightweight 300A. 455rwhp @7800/410rwtq SAE 5000lb roller dynojet

09-18-2010, 10:05 PM	#1392
assasinator 1 n the head,2 n da chest Drives: 2002 cadillac deville Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: huntsville al. Posts: 659	the mustang is not in the vette's competitive group. never has been. never will be. the camaro SS is second fiddle to the BOSS. the Z28 will put the GT500 at the bottom. unless the GT500 ups the boost. every time this discussion starts, you guys wanna campare the vette to a mustang. so i get to compare the 2010SS to the gt500. a gt500 does not compare to a vette. it has no competition. the vette is a sports car. ford makes no sports car. __________________ 2011GT E85, Kooks 1-7/8", 3" offroad X, 2-7/8" overaxles, Roush mufflers, CobraJet intake, SCJ monoblade throttle body, drew 4.5" CAI, Boss302S exhaust valve springs, Baby CobraJet exhaust cams. 3.73 gears, lightweight 300A. 455rwhp @7800/410rwtq SAE 5000lb roller dynojet

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Black5thgen Account Suspended Drives: 2007 C6 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 2,251 View My Garage	Oh all you mustang guys crack me up. As soon as the mustang got a little power you all attack every mustang thread with your erect peepee's and start shooting off all kinds of crap. All on a Camaro specific board that you're only here to talk about how great your little pony is. Technically if you want to compare the vette to a mustang you can based on the fact that they are both the performance "halo" car for each brand. The mustang receives all the engineering while the Camaro gets trickled down vette parts. Now we have no idea what GM has in store for a 2012 Camaro. That being said the Boss mustang may not be that far ahead at the time it hits the streets.

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fazm Drives: ex-500hp v6 mustang Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 605	why do people keep saying the 2011 mustang gt isnt sae certified? it is http://standards.sae.org/cpfd2_11must98r/ and if you dont want to pay a grand to see it SAE J1349 Results 416/394 @ 6500/4250 rpm which means technically they could have advertised it as 420hp/398tq

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Bob Cosby Drives: 2010 Vette Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 572	This has gotten rather humorous. BTW....this winter/spring, I will be cross-shopping a GT or Boss with an 09/10 low mileage Vette, and perhaps even an 06/07 Z06 (if prices continue to fall like they have been). However, even though I will be seriously considering all of them, I don't consider any Mustang to be a direct competitor with any Vette. At all. What I won't be considering is the SS (it won't magically drop 300 lbs this spring), Challenger (it won't magically drop 500 lbs this spring), GT500 (done the blower thing, over it), or Z28 (see GT500, and assuming it is available then). For that matter, it is likely I won't seriously consider the Boss either due to the inevitable markups on what will likely be a pretty hefty MSRP. In the end, it is all personal preference based on my own wants, needs, and biases (and make no mistake...we are ALL biased). But I will still get a kick out of reading these posts...which is one of the reasons I'm here.