Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[Black5thgen]

An N/A lS9 is pretty much the same concept as the dry sump LS3 used in the Grand Sport which is exactly what I had said a few posts ago. They don't have to develop anything, it's already there,

[BigDan]

^ I think everyone is missing the point behind a NA LS9. Meaning we want all the forged goodies, titanium valves, higher redline, better heads and overall better platform for making big power vs the weaker LS3. If GM did it just like Ford did with the engine in the Boss 302, take you standard base engine and stuff it full of forged parts with better heads, and intake and leave it NA for durability reasons and roll them out the factory and then its up to the customer on how much further they want to increase the HP because you could slap on FI and run 20 pounds of boost on a stock NA engine or spray the crap out of it and have it hold up due to it better then stock parts stuffed in the engine block.

[ULTRAZLS1]

And like I said...this isnt going to happen.

Do you think all these forged goodies etc. that come with the LS9 are just free?

They will make another step up from the LS3 and be done with it...and thats all they need. A performance option (gears, suspension etc) with another 30hp bump will be very impressive and get the job done nicely IMO (not that it doesnt already)

The general public doesnt have any idea or even care about forged this and that etc etc. GM is going to cater to the masses for the most sales. A higher HP rating on the window sticker and on commercials is what will help sell...not if the bottom end is forged. We are a fraction of the market.

And honestly..the current LS3 which can make 600 hp with heads and cam swap on pump gas daily drivers is more than enough. For the car to run super fast at the track they need to gut them and get them to hook..simple as that. The power and potential is plenty as is for a 31k car IMO.

And hey...I hope I am wrong...that would be awesome. But I am just going by the last 25 years and the most likely outcome. GM isnt going in this direction. They can and likely will make a better LSx motor...but I am not sure they are going to go with the extra cost of a fully forged etc. motor in a car that starts at 31k. Not likely anyway...anythings possible

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ I think everyone is missing the point behind a NA LS9. Meaning we want all the forged goodies, titanium valves, higher redline, better heads and overall better platform for making big power vs the weaker LS3. If GM did it just like Ford did with the engine in the Boss 302, take you standard base engine and stuff it full of forged parts with better heads, and intake and leave it NA for durability reasons and roll them out the factory and then its up to the customer on how much further they want to increase the HP because you could slap on FI and run 20 pounds of boost on a stock NA engine or spray the crap out of it and have it hold up due to it better then stock parts stuffed in the engine block.

+1 that what i meant

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

And like I said...this isnt going to happen.

Do you think all these forged goodies etc. that come with the LS9 are just free?

They will make another step up from the LS3 and be done with it...and thats all they need. A performance option (gears, suspension etc) with another 30hp bump will be very impressive and get the job done nicely IMO (not that it doesnt already)

The general public doesnt have any idea or even care about forged this and that etc etc. GM is going to cater to the masses for the most sales. A higher HP rating on the window sticker and on commercials is what will help sell...not if the bottom end is forged. We are a fraction of the market.

And honestly..the current LS3 which can make 600 hp with heads and cam swap on pump gas daily drivers is more than enough. For the car to run super fast at the track they need to gut them and get them to hook..simple as that. The power and potential is plenty as is for a 31k car IMO.

And hey...I hope I am wrong...that would be awesome. But I am just going by the last 25 years and the most likely outcome. GM isnt going in this direction. They can and likely will make a better LSx motor...but I am not sure they are going to go with the extra cost of a fully forged etc. motor in a car that starts at 31k. Not likely anyway...anythings possible

were talking about a potential 302 fighter not a upgraded SS

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by Napper

Well we shall see....

typically Ford has a hair up there but about new, limited edition cars


And since the Boss is a 2 seater it asks to be compared to the Vette


what can't the new 5.0 spinning to ungodly rpms handle the 5 year old LS7? the 3 year old LSA or LS9


Sax get Gm . I'm retarded. i'm not on a ford site with a 10 year old GM car.


Gt500 prices are dropping i know i bought one for my wife...fine car.
the GT around here...39 40K. no breaks

so where does that leave the Boss?? 40 and 50 .....plus dealer mark up



And the mustang was made to compete with the Vette in the 60's as their was no Camaro when the mustang came out.


Lets talk about the 5.5 liter Gm is SO tight lipped about.

45th anniversary....something tells me it aint gonna be a special color.
or stripe package.


anything can happen...

Sax get over yourself.. You think GM is gonna roll over.


PLEASE, you stang guys are funny....you get a couple of descent products.

And your the Best.


Again Ford is playing in the intermediate section..

Zo6 Cf is worth every penny. So is the Zr1.

The Ford Thunderbird was the only car, as far as I know, that Ford produced to compete with the Vette. That was in the mid to late 50's.

Originally Posted by Napper

I can get a C6 for under 50k..

So comparing a 45k boss with dealer markup of 5k ( typically)

Sorry a base vette....with hardly nothing will handle the Boss.

so long as its a 1lt 6m Npp exhuasted....intake cam headers catless and ported tb and manifold. spin it to 6800 all day.
dropped on stock bolts with nitto Nto5 road race tires.

I've got the Boss killer plans already writen up.

Ford where the intermediate cars play.

That's such a stupid remark that I actually had to laugh. A base model Vette will "handle" the new Boss, I think not kemosabe. You need to pay a little less attention to the bench racing that goes on and read up on some facts. They've even been linked and posted on this thread for you. I can understand though, you seem to be one of those "GM Loyalists".

Originally Posted by DarricSS

Funny how the most outspoken fans of the Mustang are the ones driving 10yr old GT's or Trucks and internet racing a 60K+ car they will never own...

Ford wants to make a sports car with this new Boss to bad it will always be second fiddle to the Z06 and the Rear Seat Delete is... lmfao!

It wasn't deleted for the purpose that most ricers and redneck racers do it for. The Leguna Seca model is limited. The rear seats were deleted for the purpose of adding a roll cage that also serves as a device for stiffening the chassis. Hopefully that makes more sense for you. Lmfao at you cracking wise about something that has no comedic value at all....

A $60K plus price tag?? Man your whole post is just full of fail...

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

were talking about a potential 302 fighter not a upgraded SS

the original boss302 fighter was a 302 camaro(Z28). rpm for rpm, cube for cube. same concept on both cars.

a boss 302 fighter camaro should be a 7500 rpm 5.3 liter. shell of a car. no extras. no nav, no electric seats, no BS. solid rear axle. lightest possible weight. gear it with 3.73-4.10. deep overdrive.


that is a proper 2012 BOSS302 fighter. not a SS with more power. the SS you are describing is a 2012 challenger.

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by assasinator

the original boss302 fighter was a 302 camaro(Z28). rpm for rpm, cube for cube. same concept on both cars.

a boss 302 fighter camaro should be a 7500 rpm 5.3 liter. shell of a car. no extras. no nav, no electric seats, no BS. solid rear axle. lightest possible weight. gear it with 3.73-4.10. deep overdrive.


that is a proper 2012 BOSS302 fighter. not a SS with more power. the SS you are describing is a 2012 challenger.

the current ss can handle the 2012 challenger just fine. GM could just copy ford and offer a upgrade 6.2L fully forge engine, basicly a LS9 without the s/c just like Ford does with the 302. 5.3L would be nice, but today costumers that can afford 38k+ cars want some comfort. Sadly there's a small number of people that buy street racecars and used them as such.

[REEFBLUE93]

Are any of you aware of the fact that the Leguna Seca Boss is completely different from the Boss that will be mass produced?? Only the Leguna Seca will come race ready....

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Are any of you aware of the fact that the Leguna Seca Boss is completely different from the Boss that will be mass produced?? Only the Leguna Seca will come race ready....

there both very similar. LS models gets ricaro's and torsen LSD(option on the boss), 302R front spoiler, stiffer suspension, front brake cooling ducts and x brace, rear seat delete. the LS is different enough the only thing you can not get option/aftermarket is the special "red key".

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

there both very similar. LS models gets ricaro's and torsen LSD(option on the boss), 302R front spoiler, stiffer suspension, front brake cooling ducts and x brace, rear seat delete. the LS is different enough the only thing you can not get option/aftermarket is the special "red key".

The Leguna Seca is also the only one that gets the rear seat delete and roll cage as well. That's a pretty signifigant difference. I had read a couple posts where people were saying it would be a terrible daily driver due to the rear seat delete. The Leguna Seca was never intended to be a daily driver, it's a straight from the factory, turn-key race car.

[BigDan]

^ kinda like all those priceless stripped down drag versions on 60's muscle car's. I remember cars rolling out of detroit with non- roll up window, lexan plastic windows, header's in the trunk, speed holes, everything delete and those survivors are going for big big bucks now.

[REEFBLUE93]

Yup, kind of like the Fairlane Thunderbolt that was offered for 1 year.

[Chris@Livernois]

Originally Posted by assasinator

in a side note livernois has a 2011GT with the FRPP BOSS302 intake manifold running 11.1 @ 124mph on motor. that intake will be avalable after the debut of the BOSS302. i will have it.

Our latest time slip... hoping for 10's N/A later this week.



It really needs a set of cams to get the full power out of the current mods. There is no weight reduction other than removing the spare tire and jack and of course the wheels/tires. The car weighed 3,680 lbs.

I think it has 10's in it as it sits, it just needs some suspension tweaks. It would easily do it with a slick or weight reduction.



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