No future for v6

[jagan323]

Okay, i've had enough of people saying V6 isn't worth modding. You really can't compare it to the V8... but you gotta compare the V6 to it's own class here... The V6 stangs, 350z, 370z, and im too lazy to list out all the competitors.

My point is... if you want to mod a car, just do it, whether it's a V8 or V6. Be happy with the car you got, a V8 doesn't mean you got a big _____. Anyway, you will never be the fastest car in the world. So set a goal, whether you are a racer or not. Just have fun.

[Camaro Freak]

Originally Posted by jagan323

Okay, i've had enough of people saying V6 isn't worth modding. You really can't compare it to the V8... but you gotta compare the V6 to it's own class here... The V6 stangs, 350z, 370z, and im too lazy to list out all the competitors.

My point is... if you want to mod a car, just do it, whether it's a V8 or V6. Be happy with the car you got, a V8 doesn't mean you got a big _____. Anyway, you will never be the fastest car in the world. So set a goal, whether you are a racer or not. Just have fun.

I agree. I love my V6.

[victoryredRS]

Originally Posted by LoneStarCamaro

Oh yeah? What about this V6?

ok let me rephrase that I dont think there is that many V6 owners that bought it to race it.

[victoryredRS]

Originally Posted by jagan323

Okay, i've had enough of people saying V6 isn't worth modding. You really can't compare it to the V8... but you gotta compare the V6 to it's own class here... The V6 stangs, 350z, 370z, and im too lazy to list out all the competitors.

My point is... if you want to mod a car, just do it, whether it's a V8 or V6. Be happy with the car you got, a V8 doesn't mean you got a big _____. Anyway, you will never be the fastest car in the world. So set a goal, whether you are a racer or not. Just have fun.

[Bowtiepower00]

The only reason the V6's are catching so much flack, is because the V8's are running so damn quick already. A properly built LLT car can run pretty quick in it's own right at the moment, and we are about to see an explosion of development here in the near future.

Rod 1, and a couple of others on this board are on the edge of the 12's with bolt ons only.

SC2150 is dialing in his twin turbo car as we speak, that thing is going to be a beast once it's dialed. "Gretchen" and Z madness have some sick twin turbo cars that are running really well too. Several others are building or running some solid turbo cars too. I think IPS's TT kit will run some impressive numbers once it sees production.

After the 2012's are relased with the Delphi ECM, the computer issues will be out the door. At some point, larger injectors will be available too. According to http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120079 much of the LLT's internals are good for 650HP, which is pretty much the limit of the V8's stock internals. The internal engine parts needed to build big power are available if you have deep enough pockets to shop from foreign markets or for custom fabrication and machining.

The LLT is not the issue with regard to V6 performance, it's the drivetrains. The Manual V6 comes with the large differential and posi, but the Transmission and it's 1-2 syncros aren't holding up under stress. The auto cars come with the smaller rear and no Posi. Nether one has enough gear for a performance application.

An Auto car with the larger rear and some gear, along with the usual set of bolt on parts, like intake, full exhaust, a Tune, and maybe even some Nitrous, would really surprise a stock SS through the 1/4 and has the potential to make a good bracket car. The Manual with the right gears runs a lot better than stock too, but I don't think the Aisin will hold up at with forced induction and sticky tires.

GM is only going to continue development on the V6, including factory forced induction at some point, to meet their target performance and economy goals. This development will trickle down to the aftermarket. A turbo V6 could very well be a factory option when the Alpha platform makes it to market in a few years.

Don't give up, the performance is out there, you just have to work a little harder than the V8 guys do.

[rtcat600man]

Originally Posted by victoryredRS

ok let me rephrase that I dont think there is that many V6 owners that bought it to race it.

right.......


V6 1/4 mile times
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61392


And let's not forget about the title holder...........ROD1

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117591

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

So the v6 engines in our camaro is really maxed out from the factory and there's really no room to play with. At least thats what the tuners are saying as of right now. So is this really it for us? The intake and exhaust are nice but they are more of a sound modifier if anything. The only option to get some serious play seem to only come from a turbo upgrade but how many of us are really going to dish out some $6000 for that? I just want to know what the future is like for v6'ers.

the tuners are saying that because the ECM in the LLT is not as easy to tune as the one with the LS3/L99. it just takes time.

Originally Posted by CamaroFreako

V6 Camaro is not a performance car.

good one.



by that logic, the V8 camaro is not a performance car

[scrming]

Originally Posted by rtcat600man

right.......


V6 1/4 mile times
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61392


And let's not forget about the title holder...........ROD1

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117591

and don't forget guys like Beauwulf who like to turn! How many V8's did he beat at the Auto-X during last year Fest? LOL!

Like Beauty, Performance is in the eye of the beholder...

[Orange5thGen]

Well said......and IPS will have a awesome build, I know that for a fact........it's my car..........

Originally Posted by Bowtiepower00

The only reason the V6's are catching so much flack, is because the V8's are running so damn quick already. A properly built LLT car can run pretty quick in it's own right at the moment, and we are about to see an explosion of development here in the near future.

Rod 1, and a couple of others on this board are on the edge of the 12's with bolt ons only.

SC2150 is dialing in his twin turbo car as we speak, that thing is going to be a beast once it's dialed. "Gretchen" and Z madness have some sick twin turbo cars that are running really well too. Several others are building or running some solid turbo cars too. I think IPS's TT kit will run some impressive numbers once it sees production.

After the 2012's are relased with the Delphi ECM, the computer issues will be out the door. At some point, larger injectors will be available too. According to http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120079 much of the LLT's internals are good for 650HP, which is pretty much the limit of the V8's stock internals. The internal engine parts needed to build big power are available if you have deep enough pockets to shop from foreign markets or for custom fabrication and machining.

The LLT is not the issue with regard to V6 performance, it's the drivetrains. The Manual V6 comes with the large differential and posi, but the Transmission and it's 1-2 syncros aren't holding up under stress. The auto cars come with the smaller rear and no Posi. Nether one has enough gear for a performance application.

An Auto car with the larger rear and some gear, along with the usual set of bolt on parts, like intake, full exhaust, a Tune, and maybe even some Nitrous, would really surprise a stock SS through the 1/4 and has the potential to make a good bracket car. The Manual with the right gears runs a lot better than stock too, but I don't think the Aisin will hold up at with forced induction and sticky tires.

GM is only going to continue development on the V6, including factory forced induction at some point, to meet their target performance and economy goals. This development will trickle down to the aftermarket. A turbo V6 could very well be a factory option when the Alpha platform makes it to market in a few years.

Don't give up, the performance is out there, you just have to work a little harder than the V8 guys do.

[CamaroFreako]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

good one.



by that logic, the V8 camaro is not a performance car

V8 Camaro can reach to 1000 HP

how much can the V6 do?

[RatRacer]

Give it time.
This body/engine combo has only been out 1½ yrs to be on modders radar, whereas the LSx powered models already have a good starting foundation from the Corvette and aftermarket crowd. Face it, if its got a motor, some one will want to make it faster bad enough to figure out this one. The electronic and computing skillz needed nowadays slows down the process.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by CamaroFreako

V8 Camaro can reach to 1000 HP

how much can the V6 do?

as much as you want it to. the only reason the V8's can make that power (and more in some cases) is because there are people willing to build it, blow it up, build it again, blow it up again, build it up again and keep trying new stuff because there is a much larger market for it. swap the rotating assy in the v6 over to a lower compression forged set, throw some boost on it and hold on. it all comes down to someone(s) willing to spend the money to do it bigger and faster.

[Nutbutt]

I can hardly wait for the next question, Why buy that SS when there is an LS ?
I would bet most people who bought a V6 wasn't for the lack of $ ! The V6 has more HP than my 69 SS Vert and is no slouch when it comes performance against other V6s out there and some V8s.
Don't get me wrong I am looking at the LS and seeing a car that should be top when it comes to Performance vs Cost ! Just don't know what I would have to get rid of to add this to my garage ???

[CamaroFreako]

Originally Posted by Nutbutt

The V6 has more HP than my 69 SS Vert

maybe because its 40 year old car.....maybe