2015 Z28 two days at track..hurt motor?

[Jeb114]

I have said from the beginning the LS7 is a warmed up Street motor, Chevy's hype has made people think this car is an all out racer. You can buy this motor from jegs for what $13,000. Lets see, a real race motor say a Nascar motor is $100,000. Chevy pulled a fast one with this car. and the price. That's why there are so many sitting in dealers lots for the past 2 years.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

I have said from the beginning the LS7 is a warmed up Street motor, Chevy's hype has made people think this car is an all out racer. You can buy this motor from jegs for what $13,000. Lets see, a real race motor say a Nascar motor is $100,000. Chevy pulled a fast one with this car. and the price. That's why there are so many sitting in dealers lots for the past 2 years.

Nobody ever claimed it was a Racer like NASCAR or the like. That would be quite uncomfortable to drive around town....But it is tested, and robust enough, to be considered "track ready", just like the 1LE and the ZL1. Which means they are confident enough in the vehicle's abilities that they'll cover repairs if broke (even on the track!)

....PROVIDED...it is unmodified...

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

I have said from the beginning the LS7 is a warmed up Street motor, Chevy's hype has made people think this car is an all out racer. No they haven't. They've said that the Z/28 is the most track capable Camaro. The Z/28R is the race car. You can buy this motor from jegs for what $13,000. So what? What's that got to do with anything? Lots of motors can be purchased from JEGs. Lets see, a real race motor say a Nascar motor is $100,000. Again, so what? Also, how often are NASCAR motors torn into and rebuilt? Chevy pulled a fast one with this car. and the price. Now we get down to the meat of your post, you don't like the price. That's why there are so many sitting in dealers lots for the past 2 years.

My simple observations.....comments to your post are in red.

I've also noticed your negative Z/28 comments in other threads. So you don't like the Z/28 nor the price tag. I get that. Many feel that it's too pricey but is an awesome car IMO. I'm not a huge fan of the price tag (hence I purchased with the 20% off end of the year event and would not have otherwise) either but I can appreciate what the Z/28 brings to the table. I guess in your eyes the entire car is a failure. No, you didn't say that but it seems that's what you're implying. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, there's more to the Z/28 than just the motor only. The LS7 has reported issues with some but by far most haven't had any problems.

We all are entitled to our opinions though, but taking every opportunity to slam the Z/28 in different threads and completely ignoring what it brings to the table seems petty.

[Dropspeed]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Nobody ever claimed it was a Racer like NASCAR or the like. That would be quite uncomfortable to drive around town....But it is tested, and robust enough, to be considered "track ready", just like the 1LE and the ZL1. Which means they are confident enough in the vehicle's abilities that they'll cover repairs if broke (even on the track!)

....PROVIDED...it is unmodified...

1LE is not sold or listed as covered under warranty if tracked.

[EFI]

Chevy's hype has made people think this car is an all out racer.

Uhh no, they've advertised it as a street legal track capable car. Not once did they say this is a 24 hours of LeMans car.

You can buy this motor from jegs for what $13,000. Lets see, a real race motor say a Nascar motor is $100,000.

Really? You're comparing the Ls7 to a 100k one that costs nearly 8 times as much? Not only that, but youre comparing a motor that costs 50% more than the whole entire car the other is in?

Can you say stupid comparison?

[1KillerSS]

I am sorry to hear about your failure, I hate to say what were you thinking, but......what were you thinking when you told or asked the dealer about reflashing the PCM? I would have most certainly kept that hush hush. I am sure they would have found it after the fact, so to be realistic I guess it doesn't even matter now. Hopefully they don't kick you to the curb and that they take care of you.

Please keep us posted as others have requested and let us know what they find and do about it.

[Stephen12ZL1]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

I am sorry to hear about your failure, I hate to say what were you thinking, but......what were you thinking when you told or asked the dealer about reflashing the PCM? I would have most certainly kept that hush hush. I am sure they would have found it after the fact, so to be realistic I guess it doesn't even matter now. Hopefully they don't kick you to the curb and that they take care of you.

Please keep us posted as others have requested and let us know what they find and do about it.

I don't think that is what he meant. He is just saying to make sure and leave the ECM stock to make sure the warranty stays intact. He is warning others to leave the ECM alone but not necessarily stating that he has done anything to his stock programming.

[1KillerSS]

Originally Posted by Stephen12ZL1

I don't think that is what he meant. He is just saying to make sure and leave the ECM stock to make sure the warranty stays intact. He is warning others to leave the ECM alone but not necessarily stating that he has done anything to his stock programming.

Ah sorry for misunderstanding, and please excuse my tone. After reading it over again, it seems a bit harsh and thats not how I meant it to come across.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Dropspeed

1LE is not sold or listed as covered under warranty if tracked.

uh, yes it is

[Unreal]

Valve drop is catastrophic so he wouldn't have made it home, let along past next turn on track. Sounds like lifter, cam, valve train failure, but not a valve drop.

[Dropspeed]

Originally Posted by TLSTWIN

uh, yes it is

Please provide documentation that supports this.

It's not covered as it is an SS and not a stand alone model. There is nothing that indicates otherwise. Unfortunately press videos and the like do not take precedence over what is listed by Chevrolet in the fine print. NOW, dealer discretion plays a huge part in what is covered and what is overlooked......the best protection for you warranty is a good relationship with your dealership

Here is a link to the 2014 Warranty. http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html

SORRY for the thread jack OP and this is only a response to the statement about the 1LE being covered by warranty if tracked....

[Russell James]

Even the 100K Nascar cup motors have their moments of parts scattering. On track, anything can happen. Mechanical gremlins, parts defect, mechanical over rev... who knows until a tech tears into it. But hopefully all is repaired and back to good as new under warranty.

Yeah, good advice on the tune, especially if it's going to be tracked. The 100K warranty is a beautiful thing to have on an expensive motor full of titanium. You don't want to be paying for those repairs.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Dropspeed

Please provide documentation that supports this.

It's not covered as it is an SS and not a stand alone model. There is nothing that indicates otherwise. Unfortunately press videos and the like do not take precedence over what is listed by Chevrolet in the fine print. NOW, dealer discretion plays a huge part in what is covered and what is overlooked......the best protection for you warranty is a good relationship with your dealership

Here is a link to the 2014 Warranty. http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html

SORRY for the thread jack OP and this is only a response to the statement about the 1LE being covered by warranty if tracked....

Your documentation doesn't say it isn't covered. any court will use the GM exec's videos to prove it is covered if push came to shove.

[TLSTWIN]

Originally Posted by Russell James

It's not cut and dry if tracked - warranty or no warranty.The warranty on a Z28 is the same as a Sonic or Cruze. All Chevys come with the exact same warranty book.In the section titled "What is not covered""... damage caused by any of the following.... fire, theft... racing, or other competition."So, bottom line in the written warranty is - if the damage was caused by racing - not warranty. If the issue was a defect in material or workmanship and not caused by the racing - covered by warranty.It's not cut and dry whether on a track or not. Depends on what caused the problem. That why the owner's manuals in cars designed for the track say racing may affect the warranty. Because it may, depends on what happened and what caused the failure.That's where you need a real good dealer and tech to really diagnose what happened, and not just say - tracked, not covered. They need to go by the written warranty that came with the car. Manufacturing defects are covered, racing damage is not. There is a big difference. Kind of like - a defecting part is covered. Scattered parts from a mechanical over rev at the track are not. That's the difference between a defect, and damage.*The easiest way to look at it is ... damage is not covered, defects are.

yep