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AirGoya · 05-19-2008, 03:23 PM

I love that color and the flat black stripes. The wheels are pretty cool too. But this one has a solid rear axle like you said. We still dont know about the 2010 mustang though.

The_Stache · 05-19-2008, 05:09 PM

Until ford announces it its not even official. That said competition improves the breed.

NOODLESgoneWILD · 05-19-2008, 05:37 PM

ALL I CAN SAY IS
"BRING IT ON...BEE-OTCH"

Shadowsong · 05-19-2008, 07:19 PM

I was reading through some of the stuff on those links and something jumped out at me that scared me a little bit...
Ford is developing a dual clutch tranny.... like the one in the GT-R

That could be trouble...

I want one in the camaro >.>

1bad67camaro · 05-19-2008, 07:31 PM

MerF · 05-19-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

Ford is developing a dual clutch tranny.... like the one in the GT-R

Oh yes, please let them try. Talk about nail in the coffin, could you imagine the R&D money they would spend on that endeavor, and to actually make it functional and reliable so they don't lose tons of cash? Please keep in mind that Godzilla is not being mass-produced (to the numbers that the Mustang and Camaro anyway)....you mass produce a tranny that complex and have to warranty it....big red numbers.

AirGoya · 05-19-2008, 09:45 PM

Does anyone know if the next mustang that's coming out soon will have IRS like in our camaro?

LS9CamaroSS · 05-19-2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirGoya

Does anyone know if the next mustang that's coming out soon will have IRS like in our camaro?

The rumors say yes to IRS...

LS9CamaroSS · 05-19-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

wow.... am i the only one who laughs when ford comes out with their "NEW, BIG, BAD@$$, SUPERCHARGED, SPECIAL PURPOSE BUILT, BLAH, BLAH BLAH, WHATEVER CRAP THEY CAN THINK OF TO CALL IT AND CHARGE YOU MORE, mustang. but yet, they still are under the 400 hp mark...even with forced induction. wtf?!?!?! our v-6 is going to be a competitor for that POS. i mean come on ford. i cant wait till the camaro comes out so i can start converting ford people over to camaros when they see the power vs price.

i was looking around for comparisons for the Camaro vs Mustang and i came accross Car and Drivers actual tests for each generation, plus specialty models and whatnot.

the camaro beat the mustang in hp in all but 2 of them, (one they had a v-8 mustang vs a v-6 camaro, so its not completely fair), and beat the mustang overall 9 times out of 13 attempts. the only mustangs that won were the fox body ones vs the IROC-Z of the time (which was heavy as hell compared to the mustang), and one of the 2nd gen ones.

i just think its hilarious that ford retards...i mean owners, are willing to pay all this extra money for the crap that they recieve as a final product.

sorry, just ranting.

the thing that jumped out at me however is that this ISN'T a SC engine... it is just a tuned 5.4L V8... that'll make the GT500 chassis less front heavy... even for a live axle rear end this car would be an amazing handler... imagine taking the S/C off of the current 500 and then beating it into the ground... with 300 less lbs on the car I'm betting it handles amazingly... this would be an issue for the camaro... #1 the mustang pictured here (i know it isn't a production model so please don't go there...) weighs as much as a Corvette... with 390hp... the 400 hp Camaro WOULDN'T keep up no matter what that is an amazing hp/lb ratio for the mustang... the camaro would be easily beaten in the 1/4 and 0-60 times... #2 if Ford come out with a Pony car that weighs this much with an IRS (which is rumored in the next gen mustang) setup then expect the camaro to be housed in the corners as well as in the straights... the HP means nothing if you have too much weight under it... if it was a 450-475 HP camaro at 3800lbs against a 390Hp 3200-3300lbs Mustang it might be enough to make up for the weight... Just did the calculations... if the mustang has 3200lbs it comes in at a 8.2lbs/hp the 450 HP camaro comes in at 8.4lbs/Hp so that is what we're looking at for it to be competitive... in the corners the mustang might show it's trimmer weight with better cornering... If a mustang like this makes it into production Chevy is in trouble...

oh and btw... i think this mustang looks mean... :-)

camaro5 · 05-19-2008, 10:18 PM

^ The Mustang GT (current) weighs 3600 - 3800 depending on options. It will be interesting to see if they really strip that much weight out. I still can't make myself want a solid rear axle (before platform overall in a few years). Good numbers.

Muscle Master · 05-19-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

the thing that jumped out at me however is that this ISN'T a SC engine... it is just a tuned 5.4L V8... that'll make the GT500 chassis less front heavy... even for a live axle rear end this car would be an amazing handler... imagine taking the S/C off of the current 500 and then beating it into the ground... with 300 less lbs on the car I'm betting it handles amazingly... this would be an issue for the camaro... #1 the mustang pictured here (i know it isn't a production model so please don't go there...) weighs as much as a Corvette... with 390hp... the 400 hp Camaro WOULDN'T keep up no matter what that is an amazing hp/lb ratio for the mustang... the camaro would be easily beaten in the 1/4 and 0-60 times... #2 if Ford come out with a Pony car that weighs this much with an IRS (which is rumored in the next gen mustang) setup then expect the camaro to be housed in the corners as well as in the straights... the HP means nothing if you have too much weight under it... if it was a 450-475 HP camaro at 3800lbs against a 390Hp 3200-3300lbs Mustang it might be enough to make up for the weight... Just did the calculations... if the mustang has 3200lbs it comes in at a 8.2lbs/hp the 450 HP camaro comes in at 8.4lbs/Hp so that is what we're looking at for it to be competitive... in the corners the mustang might show it's trimmer weight with better cornering... If a mustang like this makes it into production Chevy is in trouble...

oh and btw... i think this mustang looks mean... :-)

+1 shit dodge would be in trouble too..., we are know for supplying tanks to the military lol

who knows when we get that new HEMI

*DGthe3* · 05-19-2008, 11:08 PM

If there is a powerful, lightweight mustang destined for production, GM needs to make a Z28 of the same flavour.

17ac · 05-19-2008, 11:53 PM

Wait where are they getting all these numbers for this boss from?

Because I don't think the boss will be too similar to this since this one was a modded mustang by a shop.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 05-20-2008, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

I was reading through some of the stuff on those links and something jumped out at me that scared me a little bit...
Ford is developing a dual clutch tranny.... like the one in the GT-R

That could be trouble...

I want one in the camaro >.>

DCT: C7 Corvette is supposed to get one. That's what I read a looooong time ago. I'll see if I can pull it up again...

05-19-2008, 03:23 PM	#15
AirGoya Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago/Carbondale Posts: 815	I love that color and the flat black stripes. The wheels are pretty cool too. But this one has a solid rear axle like you said. We still dont know about the 2010 mustang though. __________________ -Tim

05-19-2008, 05:09 PM	#16
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05-19-2008, 07:31 PM	#19
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05-19-2008, 09:45 PM	#21
AirGoya Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago/Carbondale Posts: 815	Does anyone know if the next mustang that's coming out soon will have IRS like in our camaro? __________________ -Tim

05-19-2008, 10:18 PM	#24
camaro5 Drives: X-15 Velocipede Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,630	^ The Mustang GT (current) weighs 3600 - 3800 depending on options. It will be interesting to see if they really strip that much weight out. I still can't make myself want a solid rear axle (before platform overall in a few years). Good numbers. __________________ Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge General Motors ASEP, A.S. Automotive Technology, Telecommunications Specialist, CISCO Network Engineer STANDARD DISCLAIMER camaro5 is furnishing this information "as is". camaro5 does not provide any warranty of the information whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose or any warranty that the contents of the information will be error-free.

05-19-2008, 05:37 PM	#17
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05-19-2008, 07:19 PM	#18
Shadowsong Drives: 2014 Mustang Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Conroe, Texas Posts: 642	I was reading through some of the stuff on those links and something jumped out at me that scared me a little bit... Ford is developing a dual clutch tranny.... like the one in the GT-R That could be trouble... I want one in the camaro >.>

05-19-2008, 11:08 PM	#26
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	If there is a powerful, lightweight mustang destined for production, GM needs to make a Z28 of the same flavour. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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