Swirl Marks

[mikey8]

Check out Adam's Polishes. Adams make a Swirl and Haze remover, that the use with the Porter Cable polisher. I saw a you tube video with Junkman on his El Camino taking out swirls. My car doesn't have them yet, but I bought the Swirl Remover for my wife's Mercedes. It should be here next week.

[Junkman2008]

So OP, what did you end up trying?

[gofast908z]

Originally Posted by Moose

First bit of advice; get used to them. I'm not trying to sound sarcastic, but they're a fact of life. The best you can do is to try to minimize them, as well as remove some and hide others.

Meguires, Mothers, and a whole host of mfrs. offer products for this problem. But in addition to a good wax/polish, using the proper wash mitts, as well as towels for waxing/polishing and drying is essential.

Do a little research in this forum and you'll find answers to all of your questions. Or you can PM me if you can't find an answer and I'll be glad to help.

Ed

I think you spoke too soon lol.


The below post is correct and well written.

Originally Posted by Mr G

Help in removing Removing Swirls & Water Spots:

The number one email/Phone calls we receive is a request for help in removing swirls & water spots.


Before starting, it's a good idea to check for paint contamination by placing your hand inside a plastic sandwich bag and running your fingertips over the surface. If the paint is rough or gritty, consider using a clay bar before trying to remove swirls. Here some options:

Option #1
Temporarily hide swirls & spots:

Swirls can be visually hid by polishing the surface with a non-abrasive polish such as Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish, Meguiar's No. 9 Swirl Remover or 3M Perfect-It Swirl Remover. These polishes do not remove swirls. They round off the top edge of the swirl, robbing sunlight of a sharp edge to cause a reflection. When you buff off the polishing residues, fillers will stay in the depressions.







Finish by applying your favorite wax or paint sealant. This will hold the fillers in place, cosmetically hiding swirls and minor paint blemishes.
This procedure does not remove the swirl. Swirls may be visible in certain light conditions (fluorescent lamps are ruthlessly revealing) and will reappear as the wax ages. That said, most people will look at your car and think it's flawless.

Remove the swirl, water spot or paint defect:



Removing a swirl requires you to remove the top layer of paint or clear coat that contains the swirl. This is best accomplished with a circular machine polisher which is designed to remove paint. You literally abrade away the surface until the swirls are gone.
Dual-action polishers like the Porter Cable 7424 are not designed to remove paint. They can round over and make invisible minor swirls and spots but may not have the power to fully remove deeper paint defects.

To remove a swirl, you must remove the
layer of paint or clear coat that contains
the defect.

These polishers will definitely do a better job than can be accomplished by hand and offer the novice enthusiast the safety of a random orbital motion which will not make the problem worse or introduce additional swirls.
Very fine swirls can be removed by polishing alone. Deeper swirls. water spots and/or light scratches typically requires a three-step compound, polish and finish procedure. These are the same three steps used by automakers, body shops and professional detailers.

Compounding involves abrading away the area surrounding the scratch or blemish until the defect is no longer visible. This is best accomplished with a circular polisher (DeWalt 849, Makita 9227, etc.) but dual-action polishers like the Porter Cable 7424 will remove minor defects and visually reduce deeper swirls, scratches and blemishes. Compounding may leave the surface dull. This is normal. This dullness, or compounding haze, is removed in the next step which is polishing.

Polishing removes compounding haze and restores surface gloss. It creates a mirror-like, highly reflective finish ready for waxing.

Finishing protects the surface with your favorite wax or sealant. Finishing can be accomplished by hand or with a dual action polisher (Porter Cable 7424). Applying a wax or paint sealant by machine is typically done with an ultra-soft, foam finishing pad.

There is now the Meguiar's M105 & M205 that can be use with your Porter Cable to remove major swirls on GM hard clear coat paint.

[johndawg]

Originally Posted by CamaroIBM

Whats the best way to remove swirl marks ?

Watch these videos...



Junkman's the best around!

[2LTRS]

Originally Posted by johndawg

Watch these videos...



Junkman's the best around!

+1

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by gofast908z

... The below post is correct and well written.

All except this part:

Dual-action polishers like the Porter Cable 7424 are not designed to remove paint. They can round over and make invisible minor swirls and spots but may not have the power to fully remove deeper paint defects.

As I have shown time and time again in my videos, the PC is more than capable of correcting swirl and scratch damage. There are rock formations that have been formed by a drip of water. It may have taken a million years but persistence can be a really effective tool.

Originally Posted by johndawg

Watch these videos...



Junkman's the best around!

Originally Posted by 2LTRS

+1

Thanks guys!

[gofast908z]

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

All except this part:

Dual-action polishers like the Porter Cable 7424 are not designed to remove paint. They can round over and make invisible minor swirls and spots but may not have the power to fully remove deeper paint defects.

As I have shown time and time again in my videos, the PC is more than capable of correcting swirl and scratch damage. There are rock formations that have been formed by a drip of water. It may have taken a million years but persistence can be a really effective tool.





Thanks guys!

You're right!! I missed that part lol. The PC can do really astonishing things. I love mine. Don't even know how many hours I've got on it from working with it 4-5 times a week for the last 5 years, but its still going strong!

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by gofast908z

You're right!! I missed that part lol. The PC can do really astonishing things. I love mine. Don't even know how many hours I've got on it from working with it 4-5 times a week for the last 5 years, but its still going strong!

It's a well built machine. You can tell how well it is built by the fact that it has only had 1 change in all the years that it has been offered. That's a true sign of quality right there.

[Shadey]

Junkman,

Is there anything that comes close to the PC? Having trouble finding one here in Hawaii. Trying to get one in person without having to worry about shipping it out here (costs and wait will suck). Going to see the Adam's Hawaii guys tomorrow after watching your videos. Keep up the good work!!!

[Silver Ice]

Ive always used 3m hand or machine glaze. Works great

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by Shadey

Junkman,

Is there anything that comes close to the PC? Having trouble finding one here in Hawaii. Trying to get one in person without having to worry about shipping it out here (costs and wait will suck). Going to see the Adam's Hawaii guys tomorrow after watching your videos. Keep up the good work!!!

There are a few re-badged PC's. This one by Meguiar's is a PC. You just have to pay more for the name:



Then there's the Griot's Version. It's a tad bit less but again, some of the price is because of the name. It's still a PC and it is also manufactured by Porter-Cable:



Are any of these readily available to you?

[Shadey]

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

There are a few re-badged PC's. This one by Meguiar's is a PC. You just have to pay more for the name:



Then there's the Griot's Version. It's a tad bit less but again, some of the price is because of the name. It's still a PC and it is also manufactured by Porter-Cable:



Are any of these readily available to you?

I found a Porter Cable 7346 at a place in Honolulu for $99 so I grabbed it!!! Salesperson said it is the same thing as the PC 7424 but it doesn't have the hook and loop pad. I stopped by the Adam's Hawaii dealer and picked up the following:
All Purpose Cleaner x 1 Gallon and 16 oz bottle
Detail Spray x 1 Gallon and 16 oz bottle
Brilliant Spray x 1 16 oz bottle
Swirl & Haze Remover x 1 16 oz bottle
Machine Fine Polish x 1 16 oz bottle
Machine Super Wax x 1 16 oz bottle
Premium Microfiber Towels x 2
Synthetic Wash Pads x 2
Grit Guard x 2
Orange, White and Black Pad x 1 each
PC Hook & Loop Adapter

So I'm pretty much ready to go but I'm gonna test it out on the wife's truck before attacking the Camaro. Got 10% off evertything but the prices were a little higher than Adam's web page (Hawaii mark up I guess) and he threw in a 16 oz bottle of the Waterless Wash for free. Can't wait to get started...

[Junkman2008]

Good for you, bro!

[2LTRS]

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

Good for you, bro!

Jump over to http://www.adamsforums.com for any advice you may need It's a great community for help - and fun