Hmmm Camaro or Cady CTS Coupe!?!

[ckellyme3]

the caddy is gonna be faster than the camaro. i remembe reading the road and track that they were (maybe still are who knows) going to use a similar engine/supercharger combination in the CTS but the camaros would be a "detuned" and less powerful version. plus the CTS will be at least 10 15k more than the top tier camaro. its not really fair to compare.

[Bentley78]

I know its hard to get the marketing right with Corvette, Camaro and modern Caddys, but doesnt it seem strange if a Camaro "muscle car" cant hang with a caddilac? Im not including XLR as thats the Vettes new young brother, but GM should have built the Camaro to have a edge over the CTS line. Since they are not they better give us the dang Z28, because im going to be pretty flustered if someone pulls up at a light and burns me with a CTS.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

because im going to be pretty flustered if someone pulls up at a light and burns me with a CTS.

why? I mean you expect to beat a BMW M5? hmmm the CTS-V is in a different price rance and is setup for luxury but with major performance. just like a BMW M5. . .I don't expect someone that likes BMW M5's to want a camaro over that but I would expect them to be interested in a CTS-V. different class. . .

[JesseJames]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

I know its hard to get the marketing right with Corvette, Camaro and modern Caddys, but doesnt it seem strange if a Camaro "muscle car" cant hang with a caddilac? Im not including XLR as thats the Vettes new young brother, but GM should have built the Camaro to have a edge over the CTS line. Since they are not they better give us the dang Z28, because im going to be pretty flustered if someone pulls up at a light and burns me with a CTS.

But it wont bother you if a base 'vette did the same? Remember this caddy will cost more then the base 'vette of the same year. While stoplight racing can be fun, it's not real racing.

[Bentley78]

No i wont be bothered if a base vette takes me for a ride in a SS. Im just saying marketing wise should go like this for performance;


1. Vette
2. XLR
3. Camaro
4. CTS

[iPODFAN11]

Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

A CTS-V coupe would be $60k easy.

funny, CTS-V sedan is going to be priced around there...hmm

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

This CTS coupe is pretty bangin, however so is the Camaro. Ive had my "eye" on this Caddy for a while and its coming along quite nicely. Guess i'll just have to test drive both and make my decision then.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/12/s...-minimal-camo/

Anyone have any insights or knowledge of this CTS? Lots of amazing cars coming out in the next year.

Well . . . what engine are you looking at? CTS coupe with base V6 should be around the same price as a loaded SS, give or take. So the question is, whats more important: performance or refinement? If they are equally important and price isn't -there is the CTS-V.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

No i wont be bothered if a base vette takes me for a ride in a SS. Im just saying marketing wise should go like this for performance;


1. Vette
2. XLR
3. Camaro
4. CTS

so are you comparing a CTS-V or CTS? two different performance and price ranges. and you will see the camaro beat a CTS but not a CTS-V.

[Bentley78]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

so are you comparing a CTS-V or CTS? two different performance and price ranges. and you will see the camaro beat a CTS but not a CTS-V.

Well i guess im comparing the CTS to LS and CTS-V to SS. I know the V is going to blow the doors off the SS and i dont think it should be that way, yes its more expensive but your only paying for the luxury that is Cadillac. GM should just have a Camaro that out performs the CTS-V, i.e. Z-28.

The vette has a ZO6 and ZR1 that will do circles around the XLR, it should be the same for Camaro.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

Well i guess im comparing the CTS to LS and CTS-V to SS. I know the V is going to blow the doors off the SS and i dont think it should be that way, yes its more expensive but your only paying for the luxury that is Cadillac. GM should just have a Camaro that out performs the CTS-V, i.e. Z-28.

The vette has a ZO6 and ZR1 that will do circles around the XLR, it should be the same for Camaro.

Your comparison has some grounds, but . . . Caddy is now heading towards luxo-sport, like BMW. In which case, you can probably add ~50% to the price of the Camaro and pit that against the CTS of the nearest price.
22k Camaro - 33k CTS
28k Camaro - 42k CTS
45k Camaro - 67.5k CTS

There isn't really a car to compare to the SS, except maybe a loaded CTS DI.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

Well i guess im comparing the CTS to LS and CTS-V to SS. I know the V is going to blow the doors off the SS and i dont think it should be that way, yes its more expensive but your only paying for the luxury that is Cadillac. GM should just have a Camaro that out performs the CTS-V, i.e. Z-28.

The vette has a ZO6 and ZR1 that will do circles around the XLR, it should be the same for Camaro.

to me the XLR is a joke. but that's because you're paying for luxury and virtually no performance. . .where as the CTS-v is luxury and performance. I'm sure it will be corrected. but as DG stated caddy is aiming for BMW and I'm comparing the M5 to the CTS-V. which it should.

[Bentley78]

Well this didnt take long.....http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-cts-v-coupe.html

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Bentley78

Well i guess im comparing the CTS to LS and CTS-V to SS. I know the V is going to blow the doors off the SS and i dont think it should be that way, yes its more expensive but your only paying for the luxury that is Cadillac. GM should just have a Camaro that out performs the CTS-V, i.e. Z-28.

The vette has a ZO6 and ZR1 that will do circles around the XLR, it should be the same for Camaro.

Do note that the CTS is 4400+ lb and that's with the DI V6 and it would weigh even more with the LSA

Like the chally the SS has the weigh advantage, its not much but its going to be close, no worries the SS can stick with the V

[Mr. Wyndham]

The CTS is actually 3900lbs with the DI 3.6.