Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 66olds442

I agree with that point completely. After '72 performance cars practically disappeared. I never said the W-30 was an end all be all of cars. Otherwise I wouldn't of bought the new Camaro. But when I run into ford fanboys who act like there was never any car that could touch even their beloved shelby's, I love to point them towards Doctor Olds.

Now remember with this W-30 it was the first W-30 produced and there were still 6 years of muscle cars being developed that still could barely touch it.

As for the 2010 GT500 (I am in no way talking about the 2011GT500 as that is a completely different beast.) it is a sad fact that when designing a car like that they would skimp out on the tires. If you can't agree with that fact then you have no clue about cars. For 50K the GT500 is a great bargain for what you get, I have said this probably 100 times but I don't think any of you pony lovers have read any of my other posts.

Lastly, if you're going to come onto a CAMARO forum and talk about how great your pony is, but refuse to acknowledge your cars weaknesses, then stop acting like you know a thing about cars. Not knowing your own cars weaknesses is to not know your car at all. If we show the pony is weaker in x, y, z you'll say: "but she pulls great on the slalom!" It's fine being a fanboy, as I obviously am to a dead franchise, but a blind and ignorant fanboy is what makes for great youtube videos of stangs getting beat by a car they should easily win against.

What made for the change of tune? Sure seems like a very different, contradictory sentiment here.

Originally Posted by 66olds442

The 2010 GT500 is a performance piece of garbage, that car can't even put all it's power to the pavement, until it gets into 3rd gear.

Shelby/Ford SVT produced an EPIC fail in 2010.

[St33lsinger]

Really the tech. of todays engine holds a large advantage over the iron blocks and heavy parts of the past and not to mention fuel delivery, ECM's and so on.

So shouldn't you compair simlair cars of that year.

Because if you apply todays tech to that Olds engine (ie alumium block, ect) that W-30 would eat your lunch.

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What made for the change of tune? Sure seems like a very different, contradictory sentiment here.

It is a performance piece of garbage, especially when you run it as sold. If you read any of my posts on the 2010 GT500, you'll see that pony fanboys have been using whatever excuse possible to make it look like Ford actually has ALWAYS been beating all competitors.

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by BigDan

First off its 1.5 seconds and there is a HUGE freakin difference between 12.5's with your 442 vs 11.1's trapping 124 mph on a stock powered GT500.

FYI fastest trap in a 442 W-30 (1967) is 140MPH, just saying

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

The 1966 Oldsmobile Cutlass 4-4-2
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 115.0
Weight, lbs: 3,600
Number built: 21,997
Base price: $3,500

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 400
Fuel system: 3 x 2bbl.
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 360 @ 5000
Torque @ rpm: 440 @ 3600

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 7.0
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 15.28 @ 94

I just noticed this but you posted info for the 442 and NOT the W-30. Want me to throw up numbers of a GT instead of a Shelby? Thats exactly what you're doing FYI.

Also the stock 442 was ran @ 14.8 and 15.2 by Car Life and Motor Trend. My grandfather who was an olds dealer ran a stock W-30 @ 13.6 right off the lot.

What was that about 30+ years of racing and building cars? Obviously didn't teach you anything about classic muscle.

[Etherij]

Anyone notice how ugly GT500's launch?

[macwest]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

That's a very nice car and all but I guess you missed the part where I said STOCK. Benchmarks of the day had those cars running high 14's at best in stock trim.

Let see.. back then the best tires were poly glass radials, oh those tire were great...NOT.... and BTW..what was the mustangs pulling? You really can not compare new cars to older ones. In cali the older ones have a big advantage No Smog. Which means my cuda's or the olds omega I can do what I want with them and nothing can beat the sound and ride of an old muscle car. The new camaro or a mustang forget it the smog police will kill most the fun.

In a fair comparison on cost and car the shelby is equal in cost to the hennesy camaro and the hennesy will stomp the mustang any day of the week.

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by macwest

In a fair comparison on cost and car the shelby is equal in cost to the hennesy camaro and the hennesy will stomp the mustang any day of the week.

Oh no you didn't just say that... now the pony fanboys are going to be crying that it isn't a fair comparison. Even if you strap just a SC to the Stock SS it will destory the Stock 2010/11 Shelby. But again according to pony fanboys thats not fair...

[BigDan]

^ Please, Please, Please show me a time slip of a stock SS with only a Supercharger "destroying" the GT500's 11.1@ 124mph 1/4 mile record. That's would absolutely make my day.

[Pokerjrock]

I own both. My wife is a huge Mustang girl and I have always loved Camaro's. Driving them both they really do stack up well against each other now that I have used the Diablo programmer on her Stang. Her's is an automatic and mine is a six speed. Without the programmer we both noticed a major difference in acceleration. The problem with the Mustang is it cannot hold a light to the styling of the Camaro. We always have people stopping and talking to us about the Camaro, not the Mustang. It really doesn't matter, neither one of them can out run my 71 RS with a built 454 in a quarter mile.

[28.]

Originally Posted by Etherij

Anyone notice how ugly GT500's launch?

Yhttp://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtests/coupes/112_0910_hennessey_camaro_ford_shelby_gt500_dodge_ challenger_srt8_comparison_video/index.htmlou can't be serious.. This is what you're bringing to this discussion?

Here's that Hennessey/GT500 vid from Motortrnd.. What the f**k is wrong with the way it launched?

And I bet the Z will be closer to performance to the GT500 than to the Hennessey. just saying. The power that Hennessey is making is insane. I just dont see the Z being that powerful.. It could be, just don't see it..

[66olds442]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ Please, Please, Please show me a time slip of a stock SS with only a Supercharger "destroying" the GT500's 11.1@ 124mph 1/4 mile record. That's would absolutely make my day.

What are you talking about 11.1? I haven't seen a GT500 pull that without the help of DR's.

Here's the closest to a stock SC SS I could find running 11.83 @120

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ Please, Please, Please show me a time slip of a stock SS with only a Supercharger "destroying" the GT500's 11.1@ 124mph 1/4 mile record. That's would absolutely make my day.

Orange chevy got close with just a cam (and supporting mods). He ran a confirmed 11.3 @ 122. Also ran an 11.2 but did not have the slip. He was at 495rwhp at the time.

Your telling me a supercharged SS at ~550whp could not pull it off with 26 inch hoosier slicks and skinnies?

Obviously it is not as well built to handle a launch like that etc...but if it held together and got a good launch I am not sure why it would not go just as fast or faster. But thats jst the problem...its not as good a platform with the minor mods....so I know what your saying.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 66olds442

What are you talking about 11.1? I haven't seen a GT500 pull that without the help of DR's.

Here's the closest to a stock SC SS I could find running 11.83 @120

The 11.1 wasn't with the help of DR's. The set up used in that 11.1 vid is far more effective than what someone could do on the stock rims all around and a simple DR on the back in 19 inch.

In that 11.1 pass he is running front skinnies and a full 26 inch hoosier racing slick. Not even road legal. Tires are almost a full inch shorter than the stockers for better gearing and the wheel and tire combo probably shaved a decent amount of weight also. Rims are also a smaller diameter which further helps performance.
You watched that launch and thought it was a DR?

Did you see all his vids? he has been beating the piss out of that car and been running it time and time again to get down to that time. He was only at 11.9 @ 116 with a DR if you look at the vid history.

The ZL585 just pulled off an 11.5 @ 122 with STREET tires in a mag test just FYI. That pretty much matches what a lot of the stock 2011 GT500s are running with a slick from what I have seen so far.