Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[syr74]

Originally Posted by assasinator

for the SVT cobra in 2014ish:
nope, the rumor is the high end aussie BOSS supercharged 5.0 not the current gt350 offering. its gt500 like strength. nobody knows HP though. the aussie's are forced to keep hp down for regulators.

The blown Aussie 5.0L won't be doing time under the hood of a production Mustang.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by syr74

I am fully aware of Shelby's history with Ford. There are no plans to sever the relationship with Shelby or to replace the GT500 with the Cobra...they simply don't exist.

The Boss is currently positioned and seen as a special edition in the same spirit as the SN95-based Mach-1, it has a limited life span and won't replace anything long term.

As for waiting to see what GM does to make a move, Ford will be prepared.

There were never any plans to sever the relationship in the first place, I guess things didn't work out. Look over on the SVT site, this issue is being discussed quite often and there are many people who feel the way you do too. But, a contract is a contract and if Ford is paying Shelby just for his name I bet they could do just as good without it.. especially when SVT has been working the car all along. The Cobra has been requested for almost 2 years straight now from SVTP... Old Shelby's days are numbered, he wants his LV shop to be a tuner shop anyway and build aftermarket Mustangs, Ford themselves are actually losing out (unless they get to keep the GT500 name). Besides, the GT500 is the Cobra.... Ford is just paying Shelby for the GT500 name.. nothing more...

As far as the Boss goes, It might be alittle different now as a special edition. Since NASCAR bought the rights to the Grand Am series, it is now required to offer the car to the public whether it be limited or not. Ford use to use the FR500 in "KONI" now Continental Tire series but was forced to use the GT after NASCAR's purchase. The Boss was released with the sole intention of battling the M3 this year and to meet the production car standard. If NASCAR elevates the series, we could see the Boss 302 for a long time unless the GT takes the reins with a 444hp 5.0. I never said the Boss would replace anything, but it is definitely filling a gap...

I know Ford is prepared but there will be absolutely NO movement until GM releases the Anti-Cobra, there has already been a full concept derived from Rob Jensen's concept art before he left FoMoCo....

Here is some of the rumor post:

http://www.mustangheaven.com/2010/20...or-or-reality/

The moment that Ford and Shelby started competing with each other is where the relationship ended in the 60's. Shelby tried to promote the GT350 against the Boss 302, trying to court drivers away from Ford. Ford obviously shut him down.. I seem to remember the 2011 GT350 being offered in an naturally aspirated 5.0 to the SCCA circuits as a race ready coupe, even though Ford released the Boss 302, 302 LS and the 302R for that very reason... Some say it wouldn't be feasible to offer the new Cobra for one year before the redesign in 2014... but how was the very first SVT Cobra released in 1993?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by thePill

There were never any plans to sever the relationship in the first place, I guess things didn't work out. Look over on the SVT site, this issue is being discussed quite often and there are many people who feel the way you do too. But, a contract is a contract and if Ford is paying Shelby just for his name I bet they could do just as good without it.. especially when SVT has been working the car all along. The Cobra has been requested for almost 2 years straight now from SVTP... Old Shelby's days are numbered, he wants his LV shop to be a tuner shop anyway and build aftermarket Mustangs, Ford themselves are actually losing out (unless they get to keep the GT500 name). Besides, the GT500 is the Cobra.... Ford is just paying Shelby for the GT500 name.. nothing more...

As far as the Boss goes, It might be alittle different now as a special edition. Since NASCAR bought the rights to the Grand Am series, it is now required to offer the car to the public whether it be limited or not. Ford use to use the FR500 in "KONI" now Continental Tire series but was forced to use the GT after NASCAR's purchase. The Boss was released with the sole intention of battling the M3 this year and to meet the production car standard. If NASCAR elevates the series, we could see the Boss 302 for a long time unless the GT takes the reins with a 444hp 5.0. I never said the Boss would replace anything, but it is definitely filling a gap...

I know Ford is prepared but there will be absolutely NO movement until GM releases the Anti-Cobra, there has already been a full concept derived from Rob Jensen's concept art before he left FoMoCo....

Here is some of the rumor post:

http://www.mustangheaven.com/2010/20...or-or-reality/

I've heard those rumors, but what I am saying is a bit different....I'm not speaking from opinion. There has been movement, Ford is not waiting for GM, and the Cobra is not replacing the GT500. Any of that can change, but as of right now that is what is occurring.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by syr74

I've heard those rumors, but what I am saying is a bit different....I'm not speaking from opinion. There has been movement, Ford is not waiting for GM, and the Cobra is not replacing the GT500. Any of that can change, but as of right now that is what is occurring.

Oh no, I 100% agree with you.. There will be no changes right now..

[JerseyMonte]

Love the s#!+ out of my 10 SS,but over the weekend I
watched the show about the Boss 302 and after watching
I came to the conclusion they are ahead of the Camaro
in many ways.Such as HP I think it was 440 unblown
available 3:73 gear, two keys, one for street and one for
track they actualy change the tuneing ie. different fuel mapping
disengage skip shift, adjustable shocks, two way exhaust system
back and side, the side is ahead of the stock mufflers.
Chevy better hurry up and bring out the Z28!

[LYCAN]

Originally Posted by JerseyMonte

Love the s#!+ out of my 10 SS,but over the weekend I
watched the show about the Boss 302 and after watching
I came to the conclusion they are ahead of the Camaro
in many ways.Such as HP I think it was 440 unblown
available 3:73 gear, two keys, one for street and one for
track they actualy change the tuneing ie. different fuel mapping
disengage skip shift, adjustable shocks, two way exhaust system
back and side, the side is ahead of the stock mufflers.
Chevy better hurry up and bring out the Z28!

+1

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by LYCAN

+1

But the Boss should cost a bit more than SS right? To me, I like to compare models based on price. The Boss is supposed to fall between the 5.0 and the GT500 in both price and performance. Even if Chevy introduces the Z28, the Boss really will be in a class by itself.

Of course that car is amazing, but imo it's not fair to compare it to a Camaro SS. That's what the 5.0 is for.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by JerseyMonte

Love the s#!+ out of my 10 SS,but over the weekend I
watched the show about the Boss 302 and after watching
I came to the conclusion they are ahead of the Camaro
in many ways.Such as HP I think it was 440 unblown
available 3:73 gear, two keys, one for street and one for
track they actualy change the tuneing ie. different fuel mapping
disengage skip shift, adjustable shocks, two way exhaust system
back and side, the side is ahead of the stock mufflers.
Chevy better hurry up and bring out the Z28!

Cool show huh?

I may one day sell the GT500 and go with a Boss because road racing is so much more fun then drag racing. I'm just glad I got a GT500 that can handle. I took off my DR's for the first time since October and I forgot how much fun my car is especially taking curves at 130-140 like I did the other night. What a rush!

[LYCAN]

Local dealer is pricing the Boss at $48K.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by JerseyMonte

Love the s#!+ out of my 10 SS,but over the weekend I
watched the show about the Boss 302 and after watching
I came to the conclusion they are ahead of the Camaro
in many ways.Such as HP I think it was 440 unblown
available 3:73 gear, two keys, one for street and one for
track they actualy change the tuneing ie. different fuel mapping
disengage skip shift, adjustable shocks, two way exhaust system
back and side, the side is ahead of the stock mufflers.
Chevy better hurry up and bring out the Z28!

Z28 no ...Chevy just needs to get their act together to give options. An ss should have rear end choices. The two key idea i find as a joke. Most if not all that will buy the car want performance all the time. On traction control I wish Gm would give a way to have it disengaged all the time so I do not have to turn it off every time I start the car. On HP they are not much above the camaro and on Torque the camaro is ahead. Since most modify their sway bar and springs it would make business sense for GM to add a heavier duty suspension option. Add in a cutoff switch and a four point cage option then these type of options gives a consumer an option for a SCCA class car off the showroom floor just like the boss. The Z28 will not be allowed in SCCA because of the supercharger same is true for the gt500 that is one reason shelby released the gt350.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by macwest

The Z28 will not be allowed in SCCA because of the supercharger same is true for the gt500 that is one reason shelby released the gt350.

That never occured to me and I am honestly kicking myself for not thinking about that. If the Z28 comes with a supercharger, it will not be allowed to race in the SCCA, Grand Am, NASA or FIA. For the Z28 to race in Grand Am (which is really competitive for the Pony cars) at a minimum, GM must offer the drivetrain on a production vehicle... Grand Am rules also prohibit a supercharger... The only reason the Camaro GS.R is still allowed to race is because it uses the SS's drivetrain... Nice catch man.. Maybe there is a mid model Camaro coming out that is the Z28...

[Mr. Wyndham]

How is the CTS-V racing in the SCCA if superchargers are not allowed? The LSA has been left mostly alone while the rest of the car was fitted for racing.

EDIT: And I place my money heavily against another hi-po Camaro...

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

How is the CTS-V racing in the SCCA if superchargers are not allowed? The LSA has been left mostly alone while the rest of the car was fitted for racing.

EDIT: And I place my money heavily against another hi-po Camaro...

I did some research, Forced Induction is allowed but registration fees are increased.. not sure about SCCA.

[thePill]

Now that I am reading into it, the Camaro has a 100lb advantage over the Mustang and M3 at 3200lbs. Forced induction might take them up to an unconformable spot.