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Perfectly alright - and you wouldn't be alone!
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My guess is 3750 lbs, 3500 lbs would be nice though and less is even better but I don't see that happening. But it will be significantly less than the Challenger (not that hard to do though . . .)
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Im thinking it will be 3700+ as well. I really wish that you could buy a car without power seats and windows but that doesnt seem to be an option now a days. Those things will eventually give you trouble if your like me and keep a car for a long time. Maybe somebody at gm is listening.
I remember a guy buying a fox mustang back in the day with a/c delete and no power anything. The coupes were pretty quick (especially back in the day) and the buyer saved a lot of money as well. Im realistic and I know this will probably not happen but we could always hope. |
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the 4th gen was 3440 lbs. if the 5th gen is anything over 3625 I won't touch it. there is no exuse for this car to weigh in any heavyer than that and I am still hopefull that it will be closer to 3500.
with the Fat GTO at 3725 I can see no reasion why the camaro can't come in around 3500-3600 hell and I thought 3440 of my 4th gen was on the heavy side. weight is bad for handling and this whole lets let everything get fat and say its ok trend is really getting annoying. its bad for cars and its bad for your health so get a grip and knock it off! shave some lbs off your cars and start jogging you silly americans. ok thats a bit off but I swear a british friend of mine said that exact same thing to me the other day.
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^I agree. I think they are saying that it will weigh a lot (3700) because of safety standards and the weight of cheaper materials (the corvette is much lighter because it uses lightweight, but expensive materials). I'm afraid that if the Camaro weighs that much or more, then I will just buy a used TA or even a mustang and strip it down. I would be really disappointed, but I'm not going to buy a sports car that weighs that much. I might even just save up to buy a vette, even though I favor the appearance of the new Camaro.
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I have put a lot of thought into getting a used c5 z51 and slapping a vortech on it.
It dose seem like cars are getting way out of hand in reguards to weight. Hell the new BMW 135i that they are touting as a light weight stripper hot rod weighs 3300. thats closer to a good sporting weight and the bi-turbo motor can be tuned to 400whp without much trouble. The corvette seems to have gotten by all this time without getting chunky as well. Thank goodness it made it from c5-c6 without gaining 200 lbs
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Everything I have researched points to the 3600-3700 range possibly up to the 3800 but doubtful.
GM knows about the weight issue.. and what many enthusiasts don't realize is that its government regulation thats pushing that with safety equipment and such. Yes you could leave out all of that but then it wouldn't get a 5 star safety rating and the masses wont buy it then. This is a mass consumer sports car NOT an enthusiast race car. This car has to sell for GM to stay in the black, and they are doing everything they can to make it appeal to as many people as possible, and believe it or not for that you need MPG and Safety ratings as the top 2 items. (Followed by fun to drive, unique look, and comfy options) The corvette doesn't have a 5 star safety rating but doesn't need it, it has a following, its an ICON, and it was built to race but be streetable.
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As far as cars getting heavier, the new honda civic weighs slightly less than the accord did 15 years ago. since then the accord has put on about 500 lbs. By adding safety and comfort features, cars will get heavier. Power this, that, and the other thing get heavy. things like side impact beams add weight, and so do good stereo systems. I'm sure that a bunch of airbags will add a few pounds too, not much but still its there. And is IRS heavier than a solid rear axle or is it it the other way around? or does it vary?
All of this adds up to a few hundred pounds and its nearly impossible to make a volume car without most of these items.
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I too think it will be 3700 -3800, Remember that GM is Not Selling A Race Car they are selling a Retro Muscle car for street use not the track. if you want to use it at the track then remove all the Government required safety requirements and she will be a lot lighter. On my Mustang I removed the 60 pound 2 piece drive shaft (Required for safety) and replaced it with a 16 pound aluminum one piece. Motorized seats come in at 55-65 pounds each, Audio system Subs Amps speakers over 150 pounds carpeting and sound material good for another 50-75 pounds kick the spare and jack out, remove some interior body panels and your in the 3200 range. good for a track car but sucks for a diner out with the ol' lady..
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This is exactly why the 'maro isn't coming out until 2009 you guys! The General is pouring immense loads of blood, sweat, tears, money, and research in order to get the beast out of her cage. They are doing so much to get this car right it isn't even funny. They introduced the concept with hugger orange, 400 horses and that's where their minimal standards were set. All this worrying is flattering for them I'm certain, but there is no need. The Camaro will be lighter than ALL of her competition, faster, look prettier, have better colors, and much, much more!
I understand it is difficult not to worry, I'm right there with you, but keep the good news flowing as much as possible and before you and I know it, she'll be parked in our garages. Hang in there Camaro friends! We'll be kicking some 'stang and Challenger a** and testing each other's driving skills out before you know it. Again, weight will likely not be an issue. That is why she didn't come out in 2007, or even 2008 for that matter. GM is a perfectionist company when it comes to their babies. They'll do it right by not doing us wrong. Hey, isn't everyone happy with all their previous generation Camaros? I know I am. I know the Camaro is a far cry from a Sony Playstation, or an Apple Iphone, but if you were one of the less fortunate individuals to get an earlier model, you probably encountered a few bugs. That is exactly what GM is avoiding by getting it right the first time! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Although I agree with 99% of what you said, and the enthusiasim 110%
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