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[TFord]

Originally Posted by 2K05GT

you all understand that with Horsepower comes high Price right.
a 450 - 500 hp Camaro will be in the 40K range. thats like 750.00 -850.00 per month how many can afford that?

There is no way they can offer a camaro with a new engine with 450hp under 35K. I think the first few years they will offer proven cheap options then offer new tech later.

Ford did the same thing.
1996 -2004 Mustang V8
4.6L 2 Valve SOHC - 260 / 302 (GT) [25K]
4.6L 4 Valve DOHC - 310 / 330 (Mach 1) [29K]
4.6L 4 Valve DOHC - 420 / 420 Supercharged Cobra [33K]

2005 -2006 Mustang V8
4.6L 3 Valve SOHC - 300 / 320 (GT)[28K]

2007-2008 Mustang V8
4.6L 3 Valve SOHC - 300 / 320 (GT) [29K]
4.6L 3 Valve SOHC - 325 / 340 (GT-H, Shelby GT) [32K]
5.0L 3 Valve SOHC - 370 / 370 (Saleen Parnelli Jones) [48K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 500 / 540 Supercharged GT 500 [43K]

2009 Mustang V8
4.6L 4 Valve DOHC - 340 / 360 (GT) [32K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 400 / 450 (Bullitt, Mach 1) [40K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 500 / 540 Supercharged GT 500 [45K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 540 / 550 Supercharged GT 500KR [49K]

totally disagree with with you...thats why GM is pushing this Zeta life platform because it cuts the price of building the vehicles. using shared architecture, not to mention that Lutz himself said that the top camaro will be priced at 30-low thirty thousand dollars. give the general some credit.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by TFord

totally disagree with with you...thats why GM is pushing this Zeta life platform because it cuts the price of building the vehicles. using shared architecture, not to mention that Lutz himself said that the top camaro will be priced at 30-low thirty thousand dollars. give the general some credit.

Me too, sorry. I agree with everything quoted, though. Nothing says that more hp means higher price. GM can price the Vette within hundreds year to year and up the horsepower...Plus, take a peek at the LS3...430 hp, vs the LS1's 350hp. And they still cost the same. +/- $7,000. Especially if this is a new generation of small-block? They'll be putting this technology into multiple vehicles like the Gen IV's are being used now. That will displace the price. More HP = advancement, and evolution. Not New and expensive.

nope. There will not be a $40,000 V8 Camaro unless it's a limited production, special edition vehicle, like the GT500. It makes no good "buisness sense". Ford can price things stupid, because it has no real competitors in that segment. And the Mustang has always had less hp then the Camaro (as far as I could tell).

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by 2K05GT

you all understand that with Horsepower comes high Price right.
a 450 - 500 hp Camaro will be in the 40K range. thats like 750.00 -850.00 per month how many can afford that?

There is no way they can offer a camaro with a new engine with 450hp under 35K. I think the first few years they will offer proven cheap options then offer new tech later.

Ford did the same thing.
1996 -2004 Mustang V8
4.6L 2 Valve SOHC - 260 / 302 (GT) [25K]
4.6L 4 Valve DOHC - 310 / 330 (Mach 1) [29K]
4.6L 4 Valve DOHC - 420 / 420 Supercharged Cobra [33K]

2005 -2006 Mustang V8
4.6L 3 Valve SOHC - 300 / 320 (GT)[28K]

2007-2008 Mustang V8
4.6L 3 Valve SOHC - 300 / 320 (GT) [29K]
4.6L 3 Valve SOHC - 325 / 340 (GT-H, Shelby GT) [32K]
5.0L 3 Valve SOHC - 370 / 370 (Saleen Parnelli Jones) [48K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 500 / 540 Supercharged GT 500 [43K]

2009 Mustang V8
4.6L 4 Valve DOHC - 340 / 360 (GT) [32K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 400 / 450 (Bullitt, Mach 1) [40K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 500 / 540 Supercharged GT 500 [45K]
5.4L 4 Valve DOHC - 540 / 550 Supercharged GT 500KR [49K]

I agree the top dog highest hp models will cost more

BUT the normal GT's are nowhere near 29k.. Please dont use this information as fact.. I can drive down to any of my local ford dealers here in pheonix and pickup an 08 GT loaded with options and leather for no more than 28k (that includes tax, title, license fees, and hell MSRP for that is only barely 28k).. Yes maybe the first 6 months will have dealers reaping large markups, but the camaro on the same trim levels as the mustang will be in the same price range..

Ive said it 100 times and its still in my signature so read that and follow it.. PLUS I can guarantee ANYONE can get it for MSRP Just check out the MSRP dealers thread or order from Rick Daniels.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I agree the top dog highest hp models will cost more

Right. they'll cost more, but not sell-your-arms-and-legs more...

[The_Stache]

Thats a reference to the limited build 450+ hp ones dragon.. I am damn sure there will be a 40k camaro.. its just not going to be the GT equivilent..

The gt equivilent will cost roughly the same as a GT right now.. which base comes in at 26k MSRP

[Mr. Wyndham]

+1...but with at least 100 more hp.

[TAG UR IT]

Originally Posted by Kenz Camaro

Hey Tag,
The way I read it is; the '08 Vette and hybrid Tahoe will be the LAST of the Gen IV motors built. Then they move on to Gen V's:
"Fortunately, timing is on the auto maker’s side. The recent introduction of the ’08 Corvette’s 430-hp LS3 V-8, along with the release later this year of the ’08 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid’s 6.0L V-8, represent the last editions of the Gen IV engine family, Stephens says."
So to me it sounds like the Camaro may see the Gen V motor after all, no?
Ken

I just don't see GM bringing out the LS3 for a year run only. It just kind of doesn't make sense. Why put all that time and energy into an engine for a years run? If they do, then they'll put that gas saving monster in the Camaro for sure. It'll be nice.

[KevinK]

...This sounds Very cool

[2K05GT]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I agree the top dog highest hp models will cost more

BUT the normal GT's are nowhere near 29k.. Please dont use this information as fact.. I can drive down to any of my local ford dealers here in pheonix and pickup an 08 GT loaded with options and leather for no more than 28k (that includes tax, title, license fees, and hell MSRP for that is only barely 28k).. Yes maybe the first 6 months will have dealers reaping large markups, but the camaro on the same trim levels as the mustang will be in the same price range..

Ive said it 100 times and its still in my signature so read that and follow it.. PLUS I can guarantee ANYONE can get it for MSRP Just check out the MSRP dealers thread or order from Rick Daniels.

I rounded up those Figures, but a fully loaded Mustang GT coupe with a shaker 1000 is very close to 29K
Check out Price Compare

TFord,
Ford used the Lincoln LS Frame for the Mustang and suspension parts from Jaguar and a rear axle from the F150, this was also a move to lower costs and speed up production.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

I just don't see GM bringing out the LS3 for a year run only. It just kind of doesn't make sense. Why put all that time and energy into an engine for a years run? If they do, then they'll put that gas saving monster in the Camaro for sure. It'll be nice.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but my thinking is what if there is just a medium surplus leftover from the Vettes and they wanted to get rid of them? Pretty good excuse putting them in the top-dog Camaro for the first year, just build as many top-dogs as they have LS3's lying around...then they can move on to the Gen V block (or whatever they do next).

Makes sense to me, but there may be flaws in my logic of course.

[EllwynX]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I agree the top dog highest hp models will cost more

BUT the normal GT's are nowhere near 29k.. Please dont use this information as fact.. I can drive down to any of my local ford dealers here in pheonix and pickup an 08 GT loaded with options and leather for no more than 28k (that includes tax, title, license fees, and hell MSRP for that is only barely 28k).. Yes maybe the first 6 months will have dealers reaping large markups, but the camaro on the same trim levels as the mustang will be in the same price range..

Ive said it 100 times and its still in my signature so read that and follow it.. PLUS I can guarantee ANYONE can get it for MSRP Just check out the MSRP dealers thread or order from Rick Daniels.

I've priced a Mustang GT with everything I'd want on my new Camaro using Ford's site. And it always comes in around $33,000.

[LSxcellent]

Originally Posted by 2K05GT

you all understand that with Horsepower comes high Price right.
a 450 - 500 hp Camaro will be in the 40K range. thats like 750.00 -850.00 per month how many can afford that?

Well, compared with the cost of OTHER 500hp cars on the market, I'd say that is DAMN affordable! Think about it, what OTHER cars offer 500+hp at a reasonable price?

-Ford Shelby GT500... sure if you can GET one (+dealer mark up, + Shelby name markup = good luck!)

-Um...

Here is some perspective, my own little list of cars with 500hp or more:

BMW M5 - ~$100K
Dodge Viper -~$85K
Corvette Z06 -~$78K
Mercedes CL 63 AMG Black Series -~$100K
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano ???$!
Bently Continental GT
Bugatti Veyron...

Anyway, you get the idea. 500hp is WORTH $45K and some of us are ready and willing to pay that. Its not going to be the ONLY V8 offered... I'm sure the L76 from the G8 will be the base V8 (and can be had for under 30K).

Either way, once your above 450hp, the money becomes less of an issue because there is SO LITTLE ELSE TO COMPETE WITH. What else can you get for $45K NEW that has 500hp? Not much that's for sure.

GM isn't going to screw us. They WILL have an affordable V8.. its just NOT going to be the one with 500hp.

~LSx

[AirGoya]

Originally Posted by TFord
totally disagree with with you...thats why GM is pushing this Zeta life platform because it cuts the price of building the vehicles. using shared architecture, not to mention that Lutz himself said that the top camaro will be priced at 30-low thirty thousand dollars. give the general some credit.

Word^
I think its not that unrealistic because:
-they said to expect a big "surprise"

-it will be able to get pretty good gas mileage and that could be a really good selling point

-they will be able to save money because of its Zeta platform so they can go over the top on some parts of the camaro

[Mr. Wyndham]

Fortunately, timing is on the auto maker’s side. The recent introduction of the ’08 Corvette’s 430-hp LS3 V-8, along with the release later this year of the ’08 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid’s 6.0L V-8, represent the last editions of the Gen IV engine family, Stephens says.

All subsequent introductions will be of the Gen V architecture and could have DIG fueling integrated from the ground up, especially considering the refinement of the current test engine’s operation. The greater specific output provided by DIG also would allow for greater engine downsizing, thereby improving fuel economy even further.

This means they can produce smaller engines, so the HP doesn't need to be 450+...just pointing that out.

And they've pretty much got this V'th generation's specs down already. It's not like the Car [camaro] where they're just finishing up finalizing everything. The engine prototype has been built, it's working (quite well, from what the article said ), all they have to do now to get this out the door is tool the plant for the new cyllinder heads (and other things, of course). They may have even started that already - GM's kept this thing's development a secret untill now. I really think that it might come with our Camaro.