engine info on LLN

[radz28]

... If so, please remove:

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index...S-Engine-Plans

"The LS7
The LS7 is a naturally aspirated 7.0 liter motor and is the current top of the line performance engine for GM, appearing exclusively in the Corvette Z06. It is hand built at GM's Wixom Performance Center, and therefore very expensive to make. The LS7's days are numbered according to Leftlanenews sources, ceasing production sometime during late 2009 or mid-2010. Previous rumors of the Cadillac CTS-V getting the LS7 appear to be false. Instead, the performance Cadillac sedan will get the new LSA motor next year with the Corvette Z06 upgrading to the supercharged small block LS8 in 2010.

The LS8
The LS8 is a 6.2 liter smallblock V8 with a supercharger. This motor will be dropped into the top-end Zeta platform cars with the Camaro Z28 being the most likely candidate. Initial specs have it at 475-500 horsepower with a choice of manual or automatic transmissions. As mentioned above, the Corvette Z06 will receive this power plant in 2010 with a possibility of an uptuned version to ensure Corvette's horsepower superiority over the Zeta cars. The last thing a Corvette owner who plunks down $75K for a Z06 is going to want to hear is that they bought the Corvette with the Camaro engine..."

The information looks similar to what I've already read here, however I didn't recognize it to be from the same source. Please feel free to get rid of it if this is a duplicate thread

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by radz282003

... If so, please remove:


The information looks similar to what I've already read here, however I didn't recognize it to be from the same source. Please feel free to get rid of it if this is a duplicate thread

No need. I don't believe I've seen that source exactly - so........

[radz28]

AH; Thanks!!!

[brasscorpion]

My opinion...the article is all wrong in referencing the Camaro.

As one person stated...a 6.2 supercharged engine topping out a 500hp...please. I was building OLD Stroker 350 motors utilizing tunnel rams and 2 holley carbs putting out 450+hp.

Also the Camaro will never get a power plant that puts out over 400hp...never in a million years will GM give a Camaro an engine that will compete with a Vette. They never have...even in the IROC-Z L69 rated @ 215hp, and the 1991 Special Z28 at 250hp. If the engine breaks 400Hp it will barley do it and it will be a "Special Edition" model, like the Bumble Bee car.

The Vette is always 1 or 2 years ahead of anything else GM produces.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by brasscorpion

Also the Camaro will never get a power plant that puts out over 400hp...never in a million years will GM give a Camaro an engine that will compete with a Vette. They never have...even in the I-ROC, and past z28's.

hmmmm....interesting take.
Not even for a GT500 fighter?

Just some food for thought. Ed Peper (GM of Chevrolet) is on record as saying that they don't see Camaro as a competitor with the Vette. "Two completely different segments," they said.

[camarocrazy28]

Well said Dragoneye. The Camaro will have an available V-8 with over 400hp strictly because of the Challenger SRT-8 and the GT-500.

[brasscorpion]

Yes possibly a "special edition" type car or possibly a "limited edition SS" like 20,000 a year. I have been a Camaro nut since I was 18 (now 40). The Vette/Camaro controversy has always plagued the Camaro. If it tops 400hp, it will barely do it 410, 420 TOPS and that is pushing it in my opinion. The cost for the horsepower will push the car beyond affordable...almost. Remember when you hit a price of 50,000 you start to pay a luxury tax!!! A Z28 model that I have heard in price will hit the mid 30's, putting a 400+ horse monster at around 40K. What market is there for a 40K Camaro? Look at what is also available at that price range???

On a side note read this: From a 4th Gen article.

>>>>>>>Start

For the 1998 model year, the Camaro was heavily revised and improved. The most obvious change was the revised front fascia, with more aerodynamic flush headlights replacing the quartet of square inset headlights. The change that was most important to enthusiasts was under the hood. Replacing the LT1 was GM's all-new 5.7 L (348 cu in) LS1, which had been introduced with the Corvette C5 in 1997. The all-new design featured an aluminum cylinder block with iron sleeves, reducing weight by about 95lbs with automatic compared to the iron block LT1.
The 305 hp (227 kW) rating for the Z28 was a rather conservative estimate. It is estimated that a more realistic rating (somewhere around 350 hp (261 kW)) would have placed the Camaro's power closer to the Corvette than General Motors would have liked to admit at the time. Minor changes were made to the suspension and the brakes were increased in size. The SS continued for 1998, producing 320 hp (239 kW) (these cars now being produced by GM in house, with production code WU8), as did the RS ground effects package, though the RS designation was dropped. While the numerous design improvements did spark sales; the total production for 1998 was just 48,490, a far cry from the 110,000 units sold in 1994 or the 200,000+ units per year sold during the 1970s.

>>>>>>End

Even GM tried to hide the power. Not being a conspiracy starter, but I firmly believe that the lack of attention GM gave to the Camaro killed it. GM wanted the Vette to be their flagship sportscar when instead it should have been the Camaro. The Vette should have been GM's GT40, the "Jag" of Chevy's. Only the TOP dog's of company's should have owned a Vette...it should have been positioned to run versus the Ferarri's and Austin Martin DB9's of the world.

NOW: The Camaro is competing with the GTR, 350Z, Toyota Supra, Honda CRZ, Honda Remix, the new Audi and anything else that Infinity, Lexus, Lotus and many other car manufactuers are putting out in 2009-2010.

If GM thinks that they are competing against the Ford Mustang for sales revenue...then this 5th Gen version of the Camaro will become a collectors item very quickly.

Brass

[2010_5thgen]

s/c on the trucks???? what???
ill take a new escalade- v though....oh my god that would be bad ass. ive always thought what if cadillac made an escalade-v??? and now they might.

hopefully this isnt totally correct. i dont want to wait almost 2 more years for the s/c camaro motor.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by brasscorpion

My opinion...the article is all wrong in referencing the Camaro.

As one person stated...a 6.2 supercharged engine topping out a 500hp...please. I was building OLD Stroker 350 motors utilizing tunnel rams and 2 holley carbs putting out 450+hp.

Also the Camaro will never get a power plant that puts out over 400hp...never in a million years will GM give a Camaro an engine that will compete with a Vette. They never have...even in the IROC-Z L69 rated @ 215hp, and the 1991 Special Z28 at 250hp. If the engine breaks 400Hp it will barley do it and it will be a "Special Edition" model, like the Bumble Bee car.

The Vette is always 1 or 2 years ahead of anything else GM produces.

Except that in 1969 they offered an aluminum 427 in a select few Camaros. It was called the ZL1 and was rated at 430 hp, but was estimated to be over 500.

[The_Stache]

Originally Posted by brasscorpion

NOW: The Camaro is competing with the GTR, 350Z, Toyota Supra, Honda CRZ, Honda Remix, the new Audi and anything else that Infinity, Lexus, Lotus and many other car manufactuers are putting out in 2009-2010.

If GM thinks that they are competing against the Ford Mustang for sales revenue...then this 5th Gen version of the Camaro will become a collectors item very quickly.

Brass

Wow, Just wow.. You want a sub 30k car (yes and I will bet you money than the base v6 and v8 are sub 30k) to compete with the GTR, 350Z, Supra, CRZ, and a Remix..

Ok lets take a look

GTR: base is over 50k, uh not even in the same category.
350Z: its not a 4 seater sorry bud not in the same category.
Supra: Was supposed to be out in October 07... still waiting.. OH and the 3.5L v6 starts (supposedly again) at 40,000.00.... Uh yea Not going to happen..
CRZ: What is this? never heard of it.. cant be doing well if a car guy has never heard of it.. Edit: (on further investigation, CRZ is a hybrid.. uh do I need to say more?)
Remix: See CRZ.... Edit: (on further investigation, the remix is a 4 cylinder FWD Small coupe.. so its a redline/solstice competitor, again not even close)

The camaro has 2-3 direct competitors(maybe 4 if you include hyundais genisis)..
The mustang
The challenger
The G37

All are RWD, 2 door, 4 seaters that put out over 300HP in at least a base model trim and all within 5000.00 of each other at comparable price trims..

I will say it again since some don't read or listen..

Read my signature.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by brasscorpion

If it tops 400hp, it will barely do it 410, 420 TOPS and that is pushing it in my opinion.

We shall see.......

[SilverTurtle]

in 1998, GM still held true to the idea that the Corvette could not be bested in horsepower by any other car in the lineup... with Cadillac going upscale (and uphorsepower), that ideal has changed... and with a Z06 at 505hp, and a ZR1 at 625hp, the idea that a Camaro might be offered with a 500hp engine is not out of the question... GM has already proven that a 400hp Corvette can outrun and out handle a 500hp Mustang, so why not offer a new Camaro with 500hp?

honestly, I doubt that we'll see anything other than a 450hp Camaro... it just doesn't seem likely in my head or in what I know about GM's design teams... but they've snuck stuff into the lineup before, so who knows?

[radz28]

I can't see a top of the line Camaro not have 400+ horsepower. If GM is going to compete with Mustang and Challenger they'd better have comparable models. From everything I've read, that suggests from 450-500 horse to stay competitive.

I can only hope

[TAG UR IT]

There's no arguing about it. GM releases a concept w/ 400 hp. It obvious their top hp for a minimum top of the line Camaro will be 400hp.