D*** photo radar

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by wocampb

Just ignore the ticket and don't answer the door for the next 6 months if you aren't expecting anyone. If they can't serve you they will drop the ticket. Have gotten plenty of those in Phoenix. What area were you in that you got picked off? By the way, the Passport radar detectors do a pretty good job of picking up the photo radar vans in the valley. There is always one parked by my girlfriend's house in Old Town.

El Mirage on US 60

[2001ragtop]

If this type of ticket is just a fine without adding points to your driving record or your insurance record, I would just pay the fine before something worse happens, such as them sending you a bill and saying you didn't pay it and then it might show up on your credit report.

Just pay it is my advice....

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

I love Trapster too!!!!!!!! lets me know when its time to move to a different spot

Confirmation, it's a good tool.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

What gets me is the double standard. In Peoria, the red light cameras were removed. Accidents increased by 26% when they were started. One day while I was sitting at Starbucks, I saw 4 cars get flashed, and all had solid green lights. Talk about crooked! Here in AZ, the ticket does affect your record, and insurance.

Yeah, and how would you appeal that ticket? Only way I can think of to over turn it is to have a camera running in your car whilst you're driving, one to watch you speedometer, and another out the front of the car to show light statuses and such... which is of course, ridiculous.

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

Got a letter in the mail today saying the photo crooks clocked me at "approximately" 60 in a 45 zone. One, the 45 zone is a 6 lane divided highway, and it is a speed trap in a small town outside Phoenix. I wasn't doing 60, and since when is "approximately" a valid ticket? What really gets me is that the operations manual for the photo company was published in the news awhile back, and it says no tickets are to be issued to cars registered to: cops, judges or any city official. Double standard? I'll either go to traffic school or ignore it until the expiration date...If you don't respond to the letter, they run out of time after 180 days, if they can't serve you, and you are off the hook. Real crooks. They are NOT getting the money to the city coffers.

Hate to burst your bubble here, but if you ignore the ticket they issue a bench warrant for your arrest. But do what you want.

[calbert1999]

The way it works here is you're pretty much guaranteed the ticket will be dropped if you show up in court. A camera cannot give evidence or a statement.

All you have to say is, you want to see the report of the last inspection or you want a service technician to do an inspection of the device to ensure it's in good working condition, and not defective and you'll pay the ticket otherwise who's to say it's not broken?

That's enough for the city to throw out the ticket as it would cost them more to "prove" the device wasn't defective when it took the picture of you "allegedly" speeding.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

I love Trapster too!!!!!!!! lets me know when its time to move to a different spot

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Fiveg56

How about you don't speed?

Depending on the situation, driving a little faster than the flow of traffic is, in my opinion, safer than "going with the flow". Most of the dangerous drivers I've seen on the roads were going UNDER the limit.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Depending on the situation, driving a little faster than the flow of traffic is, in my opinion, safer than "going with the flow". Most of the dangerous drivers I've seen on the roads were going UNDER the limit.

You're absolutely correct.
Can't get into accidents with other vehicles if there aren't any other vehicles around you.

For whatever reason our democratic society is full of hypocrit lawmakers, and enforcers.

Bunch of BS, makework people that need to make life miserable for other people to justify their salaries.

Here in Ontario, the speed limit is 100kph. on the hwy (not 100mph.), the average speed anyone drives is 120-130kph. because we have to drive long distances to get to work Mississauga -> Scarborough is about 60-70kms. away. Then some imbicile is in the fast lane doing 80-90kms. holding up everyone else who now has to go around the fool, passing on the centre lane. Who's creating risk to cause an accident? All, the people who are trying to get to work or the moron who doesn't know how to drive and thinks driving slow is safer than driving at the same speed as everyone else? That guy causes more accidents than anyone else, and probably has no clue even when they do cause an accident (they keep driving). That person will never get a ticket, because they aren't driving faster than the speed limit. What sense does that make?

For years, people have been lobbying the government to increase the speed limit, instead they mandated governors on trucks so they can't go faster than 100kph. Bunch of terds in Ottawa.

I'll equip myself with all the tools to circumvent paying a ticket, and if I do get one, so what I'll gladly pay so some officer can feed his family, and keep his beurocrats employed.

[SILVERHAWK]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

What gets me is the double standard. In Peoria, the red light cameras were removed. Accidents increased by 26% when they were started. One day while I was sitting at Starbucks, I saw 4 cars get flashed, and all had solid green lights. Talk about crooked! Here in AZ, the ticket does affect your record, and insurance.

I obviously don't know the intersection that you speak of in your area, BUT the camera may be there to identify someone else. FOR EXAMPLE: we have one here in town that everyone thinks is monitoring Northbound violations HOWEVER what it really captures is left turn lane violations only.... therefore the northbound light is green but people running the left turn lane are getting BUSTED.......just a thought. We also have one of those cameras that seems to flash all the time and for the life of me I have no idea why?
Here in DE, All violations are reviewed both by the company that owns the equipment and then they are sent to our Dept where they are reviewed by our Special Enforcement Unit Sgt. The officer is the final say on who gets a ticket and who doesn't. The citations can be fought in Court, but like you said after all that I am not sure how you would win. I have seen a few videos where they didn't issue a ticket because of a traffic condition.....like a truck up their arse when the light cycled.....common sense has to prevail

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by SILVERHAWK

I obviously don't know the intersection that you speak of in your area, BUT the camera may be there to identify someone else. FOR EXAMPLE: we have one here in town that everyone thinks is monitoring Northbound violations HOWEVER what it really captures is left turn lane violations only.... therefore the northbound light is green but people running the left turn lane are getting BUSTED.......just a thought. We also have one of those cameras that seems to flash all the time and for the life of me I have no idea why?
Here in DE, All violations are reviewed both by the company that owns the equipment and then they are sent to our Dept where they are reviewed by our Special Enforcement Unit Sgt. The officer is the final say on who gets a ticket and who doesn't. The citations can be fought in Court, but like you said after all that I am not sure how you would win. I have seen a few videos where they didn't issue a ticket because of a traffic condition.....like a truck up their arse when the light cycled.....common sense has to prevail

Not sure about in the US, and the differences state to state. Because, you guys change laws like underwear depending where you live.
Here we have the Highway Traffic Act, it is the law in relation to driving, it applies to everyone (ethnicity, stature, et al does not matter once you're caught or served with an infraction), everywhere who holds or doesn't hold a drivers license.

When you are served an infraction by a police officer, you can simply refuse to pay, and go to court to have the "city" prove the case against you (remember, innocent until proven guilty). The officer that served the infraction has to show up in court otherwise the infraction is thrown out of court, and if he does you have an opportunity to defend yourself whether you do it yourself, get a lawyer or get ExCopper to help you with the case. So, it's a very fair system.

Basically, some cities or municipalities can use cameras to trap speeders or other types of infractions, however, the law is the law. Most cities don't use cameras because the burden of proof is on the city not the driver. A camera cannot appear in court, so a picture with a number is not enough evidence to prove "you" were driving the car.

For one, how do you prove the owner of the vehicle was driving that day, and like I said previously, what evidence is there that the system was actually working properly?

So, pretty easy to get a ticket thrown out of court otherwise, you simply show up with a lawyer and force the city to waste thousands of dollars to prove thier case against you. I love the Canadian fair "justice" system.

[The Stig]

With camera tickets you don't get points or anything, it's just a fine. As they can't prove who was driving the car.

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by stieger

With camera tickets you don't get points or anything, it's just a fine. As they can't prove who was driving the car.

Here, if you pay or they find you to serve you, it is points. If you ignore the letter, they have to serve you. After 180 days, they are out of luck

[BLACKWIDOW.SS]

Where I live I believe the photo ticket program was found to be unconstitutional years ago due to the fact that a person has a right to confront the witnesses in his case. Doesn't seem fair to issue a citation to a vehicle..or even worse to issue one to the person that owns the vehicle simply because they own it even if they weren't driving it at the time.