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SlingShot · 08-31-2009, 11:10 AM

Defamation of character is one of the hardest things to prove in court. There has to be a proof of malicious intent not just opinion. I'm sure GM knows nothing about this, and the dealer is just blowing wind.....

*GTAHVIT* · 08-31-2009, 11:19 AM

I'm sorry, I agree we can't hold all dealers accountable for one knucklehead...

But this is why I typically default to all dealers suck. They have to prove me wrong. Unfortunately for me, in the Jacksonville area most Chevy dealers aren't very reputable...

Defamation of Character.... I'm not sure that even applies to a business, I think that is limited to person to person...

SirBrad · 08-31-2009, 11:19 AM

Screw them.

Paperer · 08-31-2009, 11:23 AM

Just trying to use scare tactics. They're trying to use the fact that they're a dealership and have ties with GM and will "sue" you as leverage to get you to remove the post. Which, is a failure. Now they have made themselves look even worse.

MrIcky · 08-31-2009, 11:35 AM

Going to law 101 here- the dealership would likely be a 'limited public figure' in that it advertises goods and services in the media. As long as any statement KJS writes only refers to the business activities the dealership is supposed to perform (i.e.- he doesn't make statements that they are all adulterers or baby-killers or something) then there likely is no case at all.

And a 'legal letter' is meaningless. Assuming this is true as posted, a threat of a 'legal letter' means you are being threatened to be threatened.

Russo · 08-31-2009, 12:09 PM

any mod or admin would know if it's the same person because the IP would be the same or very close (in local or static number)

the dealer can only do what its doing now... harassing..

Van · 08-31-2009, 12:12 PM

Counter sue...then pay off your Camaro.

RPO_Z28 · 08-31-2009, 12:15 PM

Wow! Has anyone considered that KJS may have been guilty of being a loudmouth in the service department? When all is said and done, he will get thrown out of ANY business by making a huge scene. For some reason, people think they have the right to scream and shout at the top of their lungs in the middle of a business if they have a different view of how things should be. If KJS bought his car there, he has a little more clout than someone who bought elsewhere. If her didn't buy it there, I can guarantee you he will NEVER get his car serviced there from now on.

Being a customer doesn't give you the right to be a loudmouth.

Again, we are only hearing only one side of the story.

Cam10RS · 08-31-2009, 12:17 PM

Bill of Rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

SomeGeoffGuy · 08-31-2009, 12:18 PM

Wow, I just read that thread. He sounds like one of those high pressure stereo shops who gets mad at you when you don't buy something.

Based on that alone, I would for sure find another dealer. If anyone at a dealer ever raised his voice with me, especially when I caught them in a lie, they would lose my business for life.

And if those douchecanoes want to sue me too, they can pm me for my address. Bring it on biotches.

-Geoff

wullger · 08-31-2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

...douchecanoes...
-Geoff

Gotta remember that one!

rolnslo · 08-31-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPO_Z28

Wow! Has anyone considered that KJS may have been guilty of being a loudmouth in the service department? When all is said and done, he will get thrown out of ANY business by making a huge scene. For some reason, people think they have the right to scream and shout at the top of their lungs in the middle of a business if they have a different view of how things should be. If KJS bought his car there, he has a little more clout than someone who bought elsewhere. If her didn't buy it there, I can guarantee you he will NEVER get his car serviced there from now on.

Being a customer doesn't give you the right to be a loudmouth.

Huh? What? Did you read his original post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJS

While there have been several complaints about dealers during the ordering process, I'm starting a "dealers to avoid - service" thread because of their horrible service department.
Once again, some dealers think its the 1980s again and the customer doesn't know jack sh*t about their cars and can be abusive to the customer.
My story: The service department at ARNOLD CHEVROLET in West Babylon, NY told me that the the automatic on my 2010 V6 Camaro was the same as the one on the V8. (The problem was a lag/sag problem from a start of about 10 MPH.) They printed out a service bulletin for the V8 that showed the same problem.
I then spoke to the service manager "Mark" and told him, eh, not so fast - they aren't the same trannys and I'm not thrilled with the brush off that the problem is "normal". He gets loud, tells me they are. I tell him look I know a whole lot about this car. He gets louder keeps cutting me off in the middle of my trying to talk to him. He then screams "I said it was the same problem, not the same transmission". Eh, no Mark you didn't and if so, why did they give me a V8 service bulletin? He finally says "why don't you go somewhere else to have your car serviced". Called to speak to the dealership owner, they never called back...
I called GM to register a complaint and waiting to hear back from them. Will keep you posted.

RPO_Z28 · 08-31-2009, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

Wow, I just read that thread. He sounds like one of those high pressure stereo shops who gets mad at you when you don't buy something.

Based on that alone, I would for sure find another dealer. If anyone at a dealer ever raised his voice with me, especially when I caught them in a lie, they would lose my business for life.

And if those douchecanoes want to sue me too, they can pm me for my address. Bring it on biotches.

-Geoff

I'm sure if you put something in writing about that dealership that is not true or defamatory in nature, you will certainly get an e-mail or letter from them as well.

Why not publish it here and see what happens?

nitronate · 08-31-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPO_Z28

I'm sure if you put something in writing about that dealership that is not true or defamatory in nature, you will certainly get an e-mail or letter from them as well.

Why not publish it here and see what happens?

why are you making the assumption that it is not true or defamatory in nature? from everything i've read on both threads, it sounds pretty true and non-defamatory to me. i think it's pretty clear he was sent the nastygram as a scare tactic in order to pressure him to shut up.

08-31-2009, 11:10 AM	#29
SlingShot Drives: 2012 ZL1 - #670 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Seminole, Fl. Posts: 8,009	Defamation of character is one of the hardest things to prove in court. There has to be a proof of malicious intent not just opinion. I'm sure GM knows nothing about this, and the dealer is just blowing wind..... __________________

08-31-2009, 11:19 AM	#30
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	I'm sorry, I agree we can't hold all dealers accountable for one knucklehead... But this is why I typically default to all dealers suck. They have to prove me wrong. Unfortunately for me, in the Jacksonville area most Chevy dealers aren't very reputable... Defamation of Character.... I'm not sure that even applies to a business, I think that is limited to person to person... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

08-31-2009, 11:23 AM	#32
Paperer Ragin' Cajun Drives: '02 Camaro SS - '10 CGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas/Oklahoma Posts: 1,166 View My Garage	Just trying to use scare tactics. They're trying to use the fact that they're a dealership and have ties with GM and will "sue" you as leverage to get you to remove the post. Which, is a failure. Now they have made themselves look even worse. __________________

08-31-2009, 12:12 PM	#35
Van Drives: 2006 EVO MR - 390 @ wheels Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Antonio Posts: 384	Counter sue...then pay off your Camaro. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS 6spd manual -- Victory Red / Black Leather 1100, Preliminary order accepted 7/27/09 2000, Order accepted by GM 8/13/09 3000, Order accepted by production control 8/18/2009 TPW 9/07/2009 3300, Order scheduled for production 8/24/2009 3400, Order broadcast 9/1/2009 3800, Order produced 9/11/2009 4200, Shipped 9/11/2009 5000, Delivered to the dealer

08-31-2009, 12:15 PM	#36
RPO_Z28 Drives: 2007 C6Z Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RVC, New York Posts: 1,742	Wow! Has anyone considered that KJS may have been guilty of being a loudmouth in the service department? When all is said and done, he will get thrown out of ANY business by making a huge scene. For some reason, people think they have the right to scream and shout at the top of their lungs in the middle of a business if they have a different view of how things should be. If KJS bought his car there, he has a little more clout than someone who bought elsewhere. If her didn't buy it there, I can guarantee you he will NEVER get his car serviced there from now on. Being a customer doesn't give you the right to be a loudmouth. Again, we are only hearing only one side of the story. __________________

08-31-2009, 11:19 AM	#31
SirBrad The Captain Drives: 2010 2LT/RS SIM Join Date: May 2009 Location: Freehold, NJ Posts: 1,499	Screw them.

08-31-2009, 11:35 AM	#33
MrIcky Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 1,536	Going to law 101 here- the dealership would likely be a 'limited public figure' in that it advertises goods and services in the media. As long as any statement KJS writes only refers to the business activities the dealership is supposed to perform (i.e.- he doesn't make statements that they are all adulterers or baby-killers or something) then there likely is no case at all. And a 'legal letter' is meaningless. Assuming this is true as posted, a threat of a 'legal letter' means you are being threatened to be threatened.

08-31-2009, 12:09 PM	#34
Russo Unofficial Glass Tech Drives: 2014 Ford F150 FX2 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Raceland, LA Posts: 1,376	any mod or admin would know if it's the same person because the IP would be the same or very close (in local or static number) the dealer can only do what its doing now... harassing..

08-31-2009, 12:17 PM	#37
Cam10RS Drives: Camaro 2LT RS Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PA- Posts: 213	Bill of Rights Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. __________________ [SIZE="1"]1100, Preliminary order accepted--3/5/09 2000, Order accepted by GM 3000, Order accepted by production control--8/14/09--TPW(9/14/09 3100, Order available to sequence 3300, Order scheduled for production 3400, Order broadcast-- 09/14/09 3800, Order produced. VIN# 9/22/09 4000, Available to ship 4104, Bailment Invoice 4200, Shipped 4300, Intermediate Delivery 4B00, Bayed 5000, Delivered to the dealer. 9/27/09 6000, Delivered to the customer. 9/29/09

08-31-2009, 12:18 PM	#38
SomeGeoffGuy Drives: 2023 2SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,195	Wow, I just read that thread. He sounds like one of those high pressure stereo shops who gets mad at you when you don't buy something. Based on that alone, I would for sure find another dealer. If anyone at a dealer ever raised his voice with me, especially when I caught them in a lie, they would lose my business for life. And if those douchecanoes want to sue me too, they can pm me for my address. Bring it on biotches. -Geoff __________________ '12 2SS RS Convertible - Traded in. '16 2SS Convertible - White on white, mag-ride, NPP, nav. Sold! '23 2SS Convertible -Same as above except orange.

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