Camaro rs vs civic vtec

[TiE2000]

the OP was a little vauge, he asks if a VTec could take a v6 Camaro at the track... Well my first question would be... Drag or Road Course... Then how about MOD's... Stock vs Stock... Drag... no way in hell... Road Would be interesting

Now if you talking about a Boosted Vtec, vs Stock V6... then yea it will take ya... if it's boosted it would probably hang with a v8...

With enough Money anything can be fast...

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

They weigh 2500 lbs, or over 1,000 lbs less than the v6 camaro. Even at 200whp, they're mid 13 second cars. I'd never drive one personally, but I've seen quite a few that are real quick. A high school kid around here has an integra with a gsr swap I really don't know much about the honda engines, but I know he's n/a and runs high 12s and that's at over 6,000ft alt. The thing screams at WOT. i don't like it, but I respect it.

they do not have 200whp. swapping to a b18c or k series is right around 200-210 crank hp. a gsr engine is at 175 crank hp. which already comes in an integra. it's just a higher model. They are not mid 13 second cars. And there's no way on God's green earth is there a stock gsr integra running 12's at that sea level. I know you said n/a, but even that's pushing it...He would have to be fully gutted, every bolt-on imaginable, ported, tuned, slicks, etc. why? because they have no torque.

[SS>GT]

Originally Posted by DarkneSS

lmao what? no way!

Hondas you need to be afraid of are bubbles(hatches) with motor swaps, eg coupes as well.

ive seen a bolt on + tune + cams newer si lose to a bolt on maxima. those rarely see better than low 14s.

teggys, del sols, 4 door eks, etc generally arent too fast. people mostly work the hatches and coupes.

Used to own a 95 intergra gsr with type-r internals, headers, cat-back exhaust, increased fuel pressure with upgraded injectors/plugs/wires, coilovers, sway bars, and short shifter. Its swept the floor with the '05 v6 'stangs, but i highly doubt you guys will have any problems taking em on.

[tylerSS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

they do not have 200whp. swapping to a b18c or k series is right around 200-210 crank hp. a gsr engine is at 175 crank hp. which already comes in an integra. it's just a higher model. They are not mid 13 second cars. And there's no way on God's green earth is there a stock gsr integra running 12's at that sea level. I know you said n/a, but even that's pushing it...He would have to be fully gutted, every bolt-on imaginable, ported, tuned, slicks, etc. why? because they have no torque.

they are around 200 whp(K20) after the swap is complete due to the reflash needed on the ecu, headers that u have to have so it will fit in the car, and other small items that you have to bolt on just to do the swap....and they are easily a mid 13 second cars if its swapped into a hatch or crx.....200-210whp at 2100-2600lbs........

[CamaroFreako]

Originally Posted by blizzpat

Having a fast honda is like being gay, at first everyone is surprised but in the end you're still gay.

I laughed hard at this

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

they do not have 200whp. swapping to a b18c or k series is right around 200-210 crank hp. a gsr engine is at 175 crank hp. which already comes in an integra. it's just a higher model. They are not mid 13 second cars. And there's no way on God's green earth is there a stock gsr integra running 12's at that sea level. I know you said n/a, but even that's pushing it...He would have to be fully gutted, every bolt-on imaginable, ported, tuned, slicks, etc. why? because they have no torque.

When did I say it was stock, or anywhere near stock for that matter? When's the last time you saw somebody swap motors and keep everything stock? Did I say they have 200whp stock? Hmmm, it sure is nice when people put words in your mouth!

You don't need a lot of torque when you have a high spinning motor with hp and proper gearing. It's called torque multiplication and it works. IIRC the car has cams, a worked head and a valvetrain that can spin to 8,500, a ton of lightweight parts and I believe a higher comp ratio set of pistons.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by SS>GT

Used to own a 95 intergra gsr with type-r internals, headers, cat-back exhaust, increased fuel pressure with upgraded injectors/plugs/wires, coilovers, sway bars, and short shifter. Its swept the floor with the '05 v6 'stangs, but i highly doubt you guys will have any problems taking em on.

That's probably what the swap is, type-r maybe. I just know he has an integra with a swap to r-something and it runs high 12s n/a.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by tylerSS

they are around 200 whp(K20) after the swap is complete due to the reflash needed on the ecu, headers that u have to have so it will fit in the car, and other small items that you have to bolt on just to do the swap....and they are easily a mid 13 second cars if its swapped into a hatch or crx.....200-210whp at 2100-2600lbs........

that may be a possibility, but at 6k ft up, not going to hit 13's, let alone 12's. And he was specifically talking about a gsr, which has even less power than a k20. and there's also a good difference in weight when comparing a crx to an integra. crx curb weight is under 2k lbs. where-as the integra is 25-26k lbs...

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

they do not have 200whp. swapping to a b18c or k series is right around 200-210 crank hp. a gsr engine is at 175 crank hp. which already comes in an integra. it's just a higher model. They are not mid 13 second cars. And there's no way on God's green earth is there a stock gsr integra running 12's at that sea level. I know you said n/a, but even that's pushing it...He would have to be fully gutted, every bolt-on imaginable, ported, tuned, slicks, etc. why? because they have no torque.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

When did I say it was stock, or anywhere near stock for that matter? When's the last time you saw somebody swap motors and keep everything stock? Did I say they have 200whp stock? Hmmm, it sure is nice when people put words in your mouth!

You don't need a lot of torque when you have a high spinning motor with hp and proper gearing. It's called torque multiplication and it works. IIRC the car has cams, a worked head and a valvetrain that can spin to 8,500, a ton of lightweight parts and I believe a higher comp ratio set of pistons.

hey buddy, i mentioned that it might not have been stock...

[PoorMansCamaro]

I'll just say this, i was a huge import guy before i bought the camaro. I've seen plenty of ITR's. If you can get 11-12 seconds, you are pretty much gutted or partially gutted and running slicks. Not to mention the amount of dough you'd have to spend on the motor. And this was at 2-3k ft up.

[Allan Hernandez]

Originally Posted by blizzpat

Having a fast honda is like being gay, at first everyone is surprised but in the end you're still gay.

lol

[Can't_C_Me]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Honda Prelude H22 or K20 Acura RSX Type-S, or hell even the old Si are all faster than the new Civic Si.

+1

And the thing some keep forgetting is that none of these Honda engines have over 200whp. These are all at the crank #'s. Not even the S2000 have that much, they rated at 237hp at the crank. But it's the weight that plays big with these cars. I had a 95 civic ex a few years back and that thing was like paper in the wind.

[matt55]

I now own a 2008 Si 4dr , they are slow.
iirc they trap in the low 90mph and high 14sec range.
they feel slower, why did I buy this car again?
The only time the Si would win could/would be at atuo x with same driver.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Put a comptech supercharger on that b**** then ! You can get 300 at the crank...
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/super...ion-model.html