LS3 for Camaro announced at meeting!

[z28camaro2471]

Originally Posted by fbodfather
......So......while some of this information could be construed to be obvious - and some could be conjecture, don't believe pricing -- or, for that matter, the engine info.

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Lastly -- let me say this: Affordable is a relative term. If someone's thinking of seeing a 450 horsepower Camaro for $20K, they're gonna be disappointed unless they're looking at 'pre-owned'

I must have missed this statement from Mr. Fbodfather. He doesn't say that if we're thinking of seeing a 450 hp Camaro we'll be disappointed. He says that if we expect to get a 450 hp one for $20k, we'll be disappointed.

[2K05GT]

Originally Posted by bouncertime

At this point, I don't care which engine is the base V8, as long as it blows the doors off of a Mustang GT and has lots of upgrade options. Of course I would be very happy with an LS3, it wouldn't be hard to get over 500 ponys out of one.

The 2009 Camaro will most definatly blow the doors off the Current mustang.
there is no doubt about that... the 2010 Mustang GT will be another story.
I think they will be neck and neck. Ford is Droping the 4.6 and going with a 390HP 5.7L. so I expect the LS3 will be around the 425hp range.

[Kyle2k]

I call BS on that quote, who told you that, no one at Blue Oval has ever mentioned anything even remotely close to that, especially for the 2010 release. Furthermore, I see they have left discrete clues, but why the heck can't they tell us what is not in their and let us infer..."No ls3, no l76"...something like that so it gives us the liberty to guess...more accuratly.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Furthermore, I see they have left discrete clues, but why the heck can't they tell us what is not in their and let us infer..."No ls3, no l76"...something like that so it gives us the liberty to guess...more accuratly.

It's more fun that way! j/k

Think of poker. It's a favorite metaphor when describing the situation. And you sorta illustrated it above with the Ford comment. Nobody really does know for sure what Ford is gonna use. So...GM can't exactly go by that, can they? Leaves them guessing. Leaves the possibility of GM underestimating what Ford might do...which allows the F-bomb to turn around and offer a better engine (poetic license..I know it's impossible ).

There's no reason for GM to show their hand, or even narrow it down for their competitors. *not* a smart thing to do.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I call BS on that quote, who told you that, no one at Blue Oval has ever mentioned anything even remotely close to that, especially for the 2010 release. Furthermore, I see they have left discrete clues, but why the heck can't they tell us what is not in their and let us infer..."No ls3, no l76"...something like that so it gives us the liberty to guess...more accuratly.

We do know that the LS2 and LS7 are out but thats from deduction as much as them telling us. I'm not worried about what specific engines the Camaro gets. We don't know how many engines there will be. The info will come out in due time. But, think of it this way: how will knowing right now what the engines will be, be of any use? You can be assured that the most affordable V8 will have more than 350 hp, probably less than 400. Top V8 will be about 75 hp more than base. Thats an estimate, but quite reasonable based on whats out there, or comming soon. We know roughly what to expect for engines, a rough price set, and a rough weight. Knowing those details would be nice, but it wont help GM sell a single car right now. And they can't lose many future sales right now either by not releasing it, see below for an explanation

The point I am making is this: will a 425 hp engine called BOB be a deal breaker if its offered instead of the 430 hp LS3? or would you buy the camaro only if it came with the 361 hp 6.0L L76 but not a 5.7L 350 hp engine that gets 10% better mileage. How about weight? Or price? We cant buy the Camaro yet, and I believe all the 2008 Challengers are spoken for. So there is still very little incentive for GM to release the full specs on the Camaro. But they will have to release it before the 2009 Challengers with the smaller engines come out.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

We do know that the LS2 and LS7 are out but thats from deduction as much as them telling us. I'm not worried about what specific engines the Camaro gets. We don't know how many engines there will be. The info will come out in due time. But, think of it this way: how will knowing right now what the engines will be, be of any use? You can be assured that the most affordable V8 will have more than 350 hp, probably less than 400. Top V8 will be about 75 hp more than base. Thats an estimate, but quite reasonable based on whats out there, or comming soon. We know roughly what to expect for engines, a rough price set, and a rough weight. Knowing those details would be nice, but it wont help GM sell a single car right now. And they can't lose many future sales right now either by not releasing it, see below for an explanation

The point I am making is this: will a 425 hp engine called BOB be a deal breaker if its offered instead of the 430 hp LS3? or would you buy the camaro only if it came with the 361 hp 6.0L L76 but not a 5.7L 350 hp engine that gets 10% better mileage. How about weight? Or price? We cant buy the Camaro yet, and I believe all the 2008 Challengers are spoken for. So there is still very little incentive for GM to release the full specs on the Camaro. But they will have to release it before the 2009 Challengers with the smaller engines come out.

+1
I agree 100%. Good points all around.

I'm still dying to know what they will be.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

I'm still dying to know what they will be.

As am I. But I will still have a long wait until I can

[Kyle2k]

I have a theoreticle (spelling?) question....Even if we ended up with the L76, could it be tunes or modified to be as good as the LS3 atleast...like isnt the only realy difference besides the extra .2L the intake manifold and heads? I mean that actually doesn't seem like that big of a deal if I can just make a "hybrid" LS3 (sorta). I am hoping for a 6L tho, and I might even jump on the larger displacement less advanced engine over a probably DI Gen V for the pure sake that its harder to get bigger injectors for direct injection engines, harder to tune, im even assuming that they might even be more accident prone and more expesive to fix as well...

[Gatecrasher]

I have a theoreticle (spelling?) question....Even if we ended up with the L76, could it be tunes or modified to be as good as the LS3 atleast...like isnt the only realy difference besides the extra .2L the intake manifold and heads? I mean that actually doesn't seem like that big of a deal if I can just make a "hybrid" LS3 (sorta). I am hoping for a 6L tho, and I might even jump on the larger displacement less advanced engine over a probably DI Gen V for the pure sake that its harder to get bigger injectors for direct injection engines, harder to tune, im even assuming that they might even be more accident prone and more expesive to fix as well...

It's certainly possible, though I don't know the word for word specifics.

Back when the LS6 came out, LS1 guys were basically bolting on all those parts and more or less building a do-it-yourself LS6.

Knowing GMs parts bin and the extensive aftermarket for their stuff, I'm sure nobody will be left feeling too disappointed if they have to 'settle' for the base V8 instead of the fire breathing top dog model.

[stovt001]

I actually kinda like the idea of buying a lower model V8 and using the GM performance parts bin to build it up to the performance characteristics I want.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I have a theoreticle (spelling?) question....Even if we ended up with the L76, could it be tunes or modified to be as good as the LS3 atleast...like isnt the only realy difference besides the extra .2L the intake manifold and heads? I mean that actually doesn't seem like that big of a deal if I can just make a "hybrid" LS3 (sorta). I am hoping for a 6L tho, and I might even jump on the larger displacement less advanced engine over a probably DI Gen V for the pure sake that its harder to get bigger injectors for direct injection engines, harder to tune, im even assuming that they might even be more accident prone and more expesive to fix as well...

Well I think that even though the LS3/L92 heads bolt onto and will work on a four-inch bore (L76 I'm pretty sure) the valves are a little less shrouded than on the four-plus-inch bore on the LS3/L92 blocks thereby producing a little more power. How much, I don't know.

[Sjpd]

i would kill for a ls3 camaro....my god it would be a beast

[Mr. Wyndham]

They say that the L76 could be upped 40 horses simply be using premium and a tune...so that gets you to 400 before any actual mods. Yeah - it's THAT good.

[CaptianSam]

first off... my ******'s name isn't jared... and the ls3 is a 95% certainty at LAUNCH in "some trim"

my family is italian... what kind of italian name is jared...