Z-28 - I don't get it?

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by radz28

Thanks Clyde. I didn't think I was articulating myself well, but I think at least my point made it across to at least ONE person, lol.

I'm trying to fight the feeling about your statement that I highlighted... Perhaps because I've been waiting for Z28, I have some bias, or perhaps I'm just being too emotional about it, but I don't like thinking there are people here who are more offended that Z28 will be higher than SS in the food chain. SS is a great car, and full of potential. People are clearly demonstrating it every day! I feel like I'm reading more and more hate threads amongs the Camaro legion directed within than I'm seeing about supporting the Community and focus on the "other" car I really hope I'm wrong, because that would be so disappointing to me. I'll be honest and admit that I might still have to go with SS instead of Z28 but that doesn't mean I feel like Z28 should be better and such. I don't know...

You know, there were people back in the day that would express those same views, why did you buy a Z/28, you could have just bought a SS396 and modded it, yeah and how do I solve that nose heavy SS396 issue? There have been and always will be differences of opinion on any topic, whether it be performance cars or digital cameras, computers, etc. And it's alright to have different opinions (wouldn't life be boring if we all thought exactly the same thing about every thing), at the same time when a group of people come together like the Camaro lovers on these forums, we need to respect other peoples ideas and opinions though we may have differing ideas and opinions (except for those irrational, wacky ideas and opinions that we sometimes see), we're all Camaro fans and we need to somewhat support each other. And while I often disagree with others opinions/ideas, I try to do so with some respect and understanding (though I'm sure I fail miserably in those attempts at times, especially when I'm defending the DZ302,).
Clyde

[tweeter81]

Originally Posted by n2oSS

change that pulley on the z28 - bye bye warranty
tune that z28 - bye bye warranty
track that car - bye bye warranty

Most of you said it yourselfs to the modders when the SS came out and we started modding.

Personally i cant wait to see you guys get pulley pullers to get the sc pulley off when it takes us maggie guys 4 bolts in and out.

no one is saying the z28 is going to suck. I do believe some people will be let down by it after all the hype they built up.

What i am saying though is people who mod will look at your car and say cool a z28! We ask you owners what you have done and you say nothin keeping it stock, or i put on a cai ......... your not gonna hold our attention plain and simple.

And after what ive seen of sc on this car compaired to turbo results ........ its not a cool thing to buy a factory sc'd car, because from my point of view sc sucks and yes im a sucker who fell for the sc hype too. Personally for that 50k to be feasible i'de need to see an ls7 in it.

I'm not sure why you think that if someone tracks their car (either at the drag strip, or like me, at the road course) that the warranty will be voided. How would GM even know about it, unless you wreck on the track, and then you would be fighting the insurance company, not GM.

I have road course tracked (HPDE and open lapping days) my 2004 CTS-V for 4 years, and most of that time my car was under warranty, and I never had any warranty work denied and I'm not sure why that would be any different for a Z/28 or any other GM vehicle for that matter.

Back on topic. If the Z/28 comes out and it basically has a lot of off-the-shelf CTS-V parts (especially the suspension bits), it is going to be a much better performer than the other Camaro trim packages. It will be a better total package (gobs of power, awesome braking, great handling, etc.)

I am hoping that the one aspect of the Camaro that gets the most love is the handling. That is why I decided not to buy a current SS, because that car is no better in the handling department than my 2004 CTS-V (based on the identical Nurburgring lap times of 8:19). With the better aesthetics (hopefully) of the Z/28, and if it has everything else that we want, it will be a performance and style bargain and I might consider buying one of those over a used C6 or a new C7.

[toehead93]

One thing the Z28 will have is better suspension and brake components which are also covered under warranty. If you add CTS-V brakes and similar suspensions components with teh aftermarket you get a very short warranty. This is furhter money one would need to add to their SS in adsition to an aftermarket supercharger. Once you add it all together the Z28 might just be a couple thousand dollars more but with a GM warranty, plus you have a real Z28!

[76CamaroLT]

Originally Posted by Keedy

ITT: SS Guys try to say that the z/28 is inferior to the SS because the SS has less power and lower cost from the factory.

If base cost and upgradability were your main issues, why did you buy an SS instead of a v6? Surely you could swap an LSX into a v6? All that you're saying makes the SS a better choice than the Z/28 can be said from the V6 to the SS. Its all up to personal preferences, budget and goals; none of which are debatable.

YES! This was my thought when I read the "It's cooler to mod to your goal argument".

Why DID these people buy the SS over the LT then?.....

[alex33x]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

The thing is, factory blown cars provide for a 'better' platform for building more power safely that strapping a blower on a base model. LSA has lowered compression and some reinforcement, and the GT500 is completely forged from the factory. Match that in the aftermarket, and you have spent all the money that you saved, and still don't have the pedigree.....

Yeah look at cars like the terminator, I've seen some with 800rwhp in a stock block with a kenne belle s/c. I try that in a stock SS and see where it leads, to a broken push rod, broken half shalfts, differentials or even tranny.

The Z28 will probably have a reinforced block and rear end, which will probably mean gains or 120hp with just a pulley change and a tune, get a full exhaust and all the goodies and maybe you'll be looking at a 160hp gain with probably a $2500-3000 bucks investment. Not to mention it will probably come with better suspension and wider wheels and tires.

So yeah you could probably build a better SS, but you would probably end up spending about the same or maybe a little less. Thats only if you do the work yourself though.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by alex33x

Yeah look at cars like the terminator, I've seen some with 800rwhp in a stock block with a kenne belle s/c. I try that in a stock SS and see where it leads, to a broken push rod, broken half shalfts, differentials or even tranny.

The Z28 will probably have a reinforced block and rear end, which will probably mean gains or 120hp with just a pulley change and a tune, get a full exhaust and all the goodies and maybe you'll be looking at a 160hp gain with probably a $2500-3000 bucks investment. Not to mention it will probably come with better suspension and wider wheels and tires.

So yeah you could probably build a better SS, but you would probably end up spending about the same or maybe a little less. Thats only if you do the work yourself though.

And you still won't have a Z28. If that's not what a person wants, good for them; they've still built a GREAT CAMARO

[ViperTomcat]

I would also point out that GM hasnt released any info at all.

Its the community that is hyping this..not the company.

[Blueclyde]

No sense putting mod money into an SS when the Z28 is coming. The Z28 will have the complete drivetrain to hold the power and will be a "factory" car with with a warranty. The Z28 will be a more prestigious car and a better value. I know the "mod crew" will not want to hear this but it is a fact. I would NEVER purchase a used SS that was modified with a supercharger by the previous owner. I would purchase a stock Z28. All GM needs to do is deliver the Z28 and my SS is up for sale...

[383ss]

by your logic, there shouldn't even be a V8 model either, why even have the option for leather or anything else? Everything should be a base V6 model, cause you can swap in a 500+ V8 for under 10k and customize whatever else you want aftermarket.

your a fool if you think your going to be able to replicate a Z with a blower on your SS.

[SGOS252382]

If you can afford a Z28 for a toy (that's what it is), you can afford to live without the warranty if you feel like modding it.

And if you can't afford it, you shouldn't be buying a $50K Camaro.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

If you can afford a Z28 for a toy (that's what it is), you can afford to live without the warranty if you feel like modding it.

And if you can't afford it, you shouldn't be buying a $50K Camaro.

That's quite a broad statement to make...I can't say I agree....

[Qdiesel]

^^ A very broad statement and No I don't agree with it either. Just because I can afford it doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to throw away the factory warranty. I can mod it after the warranty goes.

[jayman]

Ok assuming that this thing gets the lsa motor then are there any gmpp for this like ford has for the gt500 to keep the warranty intact. Pretty sure ford has a package for the gt500 to take it to 650hp with the factory warranty.

[Qdiesel]

^^^You know that there will be!