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GQ4Life · 10-17-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet

I agree that a 50/50 water methanol solution is MUCH safer. But, I thought straight methanol produced better power results.

Anyone discounting the fire possibility of pure methanol has never seen a sprint car fire. You may live through the crash but wish you hadn't.

Yea straight Meth very flammable .. I thought about straight Meth before but not worth risk for what maybe another 10hp for a lil more octane

Granatelli · 10-17-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroFTW

I don't know of anyone using straight methanol and it is not even necessary. Methanol/H2O mix is to cool the intake air temp on a supercharger and running 100% is not going to give you any more appreciable power. This is not a fluid you burn but a fluid to cool with. I am not an expert on this but my best explanation.

Respectfully you are very right and very wrong at the same time. A few years back most used methanol for its cooling properties. As a cooling agent the best mix is more like 30/70 - the 70 being water. Snow changed all that. By doing a very VERY good job of atomizing the mix as it goes into the engine pure methanol can and will act as an octane and power booster. To do so requires leaning out the standard tune and jacking up the timing, but 60 to 80 hp increases are achievable. My earlier posts in this section address that.

I talked about the Pro and Cons of Meth Inj and what to expect. In short if you want the meth to make power in a big way - you are married to it and if you run out of the mix and go WOT - you are in trouble.

Watch what you ask for you mat just get it

Granatelli · 10-17-2010, 10:47 PM

Here is an example of a stainless Methanol tank we offer for the camaro customers that come to us. We do this all in house.

The tank is hidden down where the tire pump was.

We also offer this windshield washer tank that some use as the tank up front

These are also options we sell with our Twin turbo kit

Slowhawk · 10-18-2010, 06:31 AM

I had a Vette owner total a car with a 100% meth.The tank was in peices after the crash. No fire. The tank was his windsheild bottle under the hood. I prefer Methenol for it's octain.We run it 100% for safety and have been for years on 750+rwhp street cars. Safety factor goes way up for motor longivity.

Frost · 10-18-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Slowhawk

I had a Vette owner total a car with a 100% meth.The tank was in peices after the crash. No fire. The tank was his windsheild bottle under the hood. I prefer Methenol for it's octain.We run it 100% for safety and have been for years on 750+rwhp street cars. Safety factor goes way up for motor longivity.

Same here except it was an F-body with an Alkycontrol tank that is front and center on the car (replaces washer tank for those that don't know). It leaked all out, ran under the car and in two minutes all of it had evaporated. Same here for using straight methanol as well.

coolingmist · 10-18-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

I know people that ran 100% & 70/30..
If it makes more might depend more on setup. Meth does cool intake but water cools a little better. Meth gives u more octane where water doesn't. Now the reason to run 50/50 is really safety. Meth has a flash point of 80 degrees which makes it very unsafe. Water raises that. U really don't want Meth vapors to fill trunk on hot day then a spark happens & boom..

Its true methanol increases octane, however water lowers your engines octane requirements. nothing beats water for preventing detonation. Water does not burn and is not combustable. Water cant detonate.
Methanol cools very quick, however it does burn. We sell alot of kits to high powered diesels, what do you think happens when they run 100% methanol and they are towing? EGT goes out of control. add 50% water and EGT drop like a rock.

Customers need to take safety factors into play when deciding what mixture to run. 100% methanol boils around 147F and is very flammable. Personally I believe in running a mixture of methanol/water, but everyone has an opinion.

CM

GQ4Life · 10-18-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by coolingmist

Its true methanol increases octane, however water lowers your engines octane requirements. nothing beats water for preventing detonation. Water does not burn and is not combustable. Water cant detonate.
Methanol cools very quick, however it does burn. We sell alot of kits to high powered diesels, what do you think happens when they run 100% methanol and they are towing? EGT goes out of control. add 50% water and EGT drop like a rock.

Customers need to take safety factors into play when deciding what mixture to run. 100% methanol boils around 147F and is very flammable. Personally I believe in running a mixture of methanol/water, but everyone has an opinion.

CM

Agrees with the professional.

Granatelli · 10-18-2010, 12:19 PM

So again in just 4 posts you have both sides of the fence. Just to add "a little more meth to the fire", the fact that a head on collision that caused the windshield washer tank to break while being full of pure meth and NOT having an issuing fire occur does not mean it won't ignite. Pure methanol is a fire hazard but - it is what it is. You just need to be cognizant of the situation.

GQ4Life · 10-18-2010, 12:29 PM

Just to add most windshield washer fluid is 30% methanol .. there is one I know that is like 90% methanol.. so u have 30/70 Meth in engine bay already

Granatelli · 10-18-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

Just to add most windshield washer fluid is 30% methanol .. there is one I know that is like 90% methanol.. so u have 30/70 Meth in engine bay already

The meth in washer fluid is not there to clean - it is there to prevent freezing

Granatelli · 10-18-2010, 02:16 PM

It also desolves bugs - I am sure

GQ4Life · 10-18-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Granatelli

The meth in washer fluid is not there to clean - it is there to prevent freezing

Uhh yea. -32 degree is about 30%
Either way Irs in engine from factory so nothing to worry about

Slowhawk · 10-18-2010, 07:56 PM

I'm not saying methenol won't burn away.So would a ruptured gas line under the hood or tranny fluid dumping on the headers.I'm not a fan of seeing 100% methenol being stored inside the car though.

Either way,engine's love methenol, Magnacharger voids the warrenty and people like us will still run it for the fun factor...

GQ4Life · 10-18-2010, 08:59 PM

My name is Greg and I'm addicted to Meth. It's been almost 6yrs now.

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10-17-2010, 10:47 PM	#87
Granatelli Account Suspended Drives: 2SS Victory Red Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Oxnard Posts: 1,093	Here is an example of a stainless Methanol tank we offer for the camaro customers that come to us. We do this all in house. The tank is hidden down where the tire pump was. We also offer this windshield washer tank that some use as the tank up front These are also options we sell with our Twin turbo kit

10-18-2010, 06:31 AM	#88
Slowhawk Drives: 1999 Trans Am Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bridgewater,Ma Posts: 2,018	I had a Vette owner total a car with a 100% meth.The tank was in peices after the crash. No fire. The tank was his windsheild bottle under the hood. I prefer Methenol for it's octain.We run it 100% for safety and have been for years on 750+rwhp street cars. Safety factor goes way up for motor longivity.

10-18-2010, 12:19 PM	#92
Granatelli Account Suspended Drives: 2SS Victory Red Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Oxnard Posts: 1,093	So again in just 4 posts you have both sides of the fence. Just to add "a little more meth to the fire", the fact that a head on collision that caused the windshield washer tank to break while being full of pure meth and NOT having an issuing fire occur does not mean it won't ignite. Pure methanol is a fire hazard but - it is what it is. You just need to be cognizant of the situation.

10-18-2010, 02:16 PM	#95
Granatelli Account Suspended Drives: 2SS Victory Red Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Oxnard Posts: 1,093	It also desolves bugs - I am sure

10-18-2010, 07:56 PM	#97
Slowhawk Drives: 1999 Trans Am Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bridgewater,Ma Posts: 2,018	I'm not saying methenol won't burn away.So would a ruptured gas line under the hood or tranny fluid dumping on the headers.I'm not a fan of seeing 100% methenol being stored inside the car though. Either way,engine's love methenol, Magnacharger voids the warrenty and people like us will still run it for the fun factor...

10-18-2010, 08:59 PM	#98
GQ4Life Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fishkill, NY Posts: 5,197 View My Garage	My name is Greg and I'm addicted to Meth. It's been almost 6yrs now.